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Why I wear the niqab

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MumsnetGuestBlogs · 16/10/2013 10:58

The common impression that people have about women who wear the niqab is that they are forced to do so by their spouses or society, and are therefore oppressed. They are also believed to be uneducated, passive - kept behind closed doors, and not integrated within British society.

These negative prejudices are just that, though they are presented as facts - widely accepted, and promoted by cynical politicians every so often. Although I prefer not to be apologetic in my approach, I always find myself having to explain my choice to wear the niqab, in the hope that I can raise awareness, challenge misperceptions and help promote mutual respect.

To understand the niqab, it helps to understand the religion behind it. Islam has three simple messages – liberation from worshipping anything but the one God; following in the way of His Prophets including Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them; and servitude to the whole of humanity. Islam’s practical acts of liberation are many – from the duty of environmentalism (protecting ‘the Creation’ from the excesses of humankind) to the imperative of modesty for both women and men – one part of which is the face-veil.

In my view, the authentic reading of Scripture does not deem the niqab as compulsory, but rather as highly recommended: the wives of the prophet Muhammad used to wear it, and they are my role models.

Therefore the niqab is a religious symbol - and wearing it is considered by many Muslim women as an act of worship. Certainly the niqab is a spiritual journey that not many will take or understand, but those women who choose to wear it, such as myself, believe that it brings them closer to God, their Creator.

I also find the niqab liberating and dignifying; it gives me a sense of strength and empowers me. Deciding to wear it wasn’t easy - I had to go against my wishes of my parents, who discouraged me from wearing it because they feared I would face discrimination. But since I started wearing it, over 10 years ago, I have never changed my decision, nor have I ever found it a barrier. I continued my education to postgraduate level, and am now a professional molecular geneticist. Never once did I feel that the niqab prevented me from adding value to our British society – I’m involved in many community projects and events, and hold leadership positions in community organisations.

Some claim that women choose to wear the niqab do so due to social constraints and conditioning. This might be applicable to some extent in countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, where individuals have to behave in a certain way for social approval (which can include wearing the face-veil). But in Britain, face-veiled women are minority within a minority – numbering perhaps just 0.001% of the total Muslim population in the UK (no statistics are available on this issue). Wearing the niqab is not so common within the British Muslim community that social conditioning could play any significant role: in Britain the majority of these women wear the niqab as a personal choice.

The norms of any society are the sum of its collective values, so rather than talking about the role of social conditioning in relation to face-veiled women, let’s talk about those norms. Public freedom is a cherished value in the UK, and is part of the fabric of our society. It allows individuals the right to practice and articulate their religious freedoms and rights – and offers a woman total freedom of choice to decide what she wears. Women who wear the niqab are simply articulating those religious and personal freedoms – and we cannot risk undermining them for the sake of social imaginaries, deep-seated psychological fears, or ignorance.

There are claims that the niqab is a 'security threat', but such claims are overblown. With regards to the issue of security, particularly the wearing of the niqab in court, let’s be clear that Muslim women are allowed to take off their veils, particularly in the pursuit of justice. But there’s no common approach and each case should be dealt with individually, in a manner that ensures the preservation of these women’s dignity and rights. These women are not committing any crime; they must be treated as human beings with full rights to participate equally in civil society, and to access education.

The reason, I believe, that the niqab debate has progressed this far is that there exists a wide range of far-right movements, politicians and intellectuals across the spectrum who seek to promote the hysteria that fuels anti-Muslim hatred. These people hope to make the face-veiled Muslim women emblematic of a sinister 'Other', a ‘problem’ impossible to solve or accept.

We have to overcome this authoritarian mentality which assumes a right to interfere in the lives, appearances and thoughts of other people. We all have so much to offer each other and we should extend our tolerance to respect, not merely for individuals, but for their beliefs as well. Otherwise, by all clamouring to enforce our own ideologies on the women we seek to “liberate”, we will be contributing to their collective oppression. Indeed, attempts to ban the niqab will marginalise face-veiled women from participating in public life.

It’s time to go beyond words, and to pursue peace, prosperity and freedom through social, political and interfaith harmony - seeking compassionate justice for everyone, and protecting freedom of the individual.

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IHaveA · 18/10/2013 18:09

Excellent post nicename.

In fact there are lots of excellent posts on this thread. Its really making me think.

peacefuloptimist · 18/10/2013 18:20

I agree with GoshAnne, you need to stop lecturing muslim women about their own religion Swallowed. You may know equality law but you dont know Islam so please stop the patronising.

There seems to be a lot of fantasists on this thread.

the husband who gets more prestige because his wife wears the veil therefore must be a better muslim woman and off runs his work colleague to apply the pressure to his wife to wear the veil.

What makes you think all muslim men want their wives to wear niqab. Muslim men in general (like all men) want an easy life. They don't want to be put in a position where they have to prove their un manliness by having to defend their wife from some racists. I have two friends who struggled to find partners because they wore niqab and one of them was asked if she would consider stopping it if she married the guy. There are certain muslim men who would like a wife who wears niqab and to be honest they would look for a woman who wore it before they got married rather then deal with the hassle of convincing their wife to wear it after marriage. See they just want an easy life.

Wouldn't God look more favourably on the latter for removing the face part of the veil so the student could lip read. That is helping other people and putting them before yourself.

Are we talking about a real life example here or is this pulled out of the depth of your imagination. Even in this fantastical scenario there are two solutions. Yes a) she could remove her veil so that the student can lip read or b) she can learn to use sign language so that she can communicate with the deaf student. However I think a point was made earlier (I think it was from my sister GoshAnne) that most niqabis do not seek public facing jobs. I do actually know three niqabis who are teachers, however they teach arabic to children and women and remove their veils when they are in front of their class.

How do you run fast? How do you teach your children how to pronounce words well? How would you bf?

Grin This was my favorite. You know I dont wear niqab but I still can't run fast. Thankfully I havent encountered a scenario yet where this has been an essential skill that has been needed and my lack of having this special power has caused me serious problems. Niqabis can still speak you know. Just because you cant see their mouth doesnt mean its disappeared. They probably teach their kids pronunciation when they are at home, where incidentally they can also breastfeed their babies. I dont wear niqab and I still wouldnt breastfeed in public and im sure many others wouldnt either. It takes a special kind of guts to pull out your breast in a room full of strangers.

Most other Islamic countries promote equal education and rights for women (per Islamic tradition). This means a moderate approach in everything they practice. They may wear the scarf but do not hide face. I.e., Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, UAE.

Gauri one second your saying muslim women need to fight for equality in muslim countries next your saying they already have it. Which is it? Muslim women do need to fight certain battles in muslim countries but hijab and niqab is not one of those battles. For us these are just religious symbols not symbols of inequality. i dont wear niqab. I will never wear niqab. But I will support the right of any muslim woman to wear it if thats what they want.

crunchybargalore · 18/10/2013 18:27

I am glad I made you smile. But you seemed to confirm that if you wear the niquab you are not able to run fast. Many people find running an absolute joy and to have that denied because of your sex seems so sad to me.

Sad so sad about breastfeeding and being confined in doors.

crunchybargalore · 18/10/2013 18:28

Oh and being able to run or run fast is not a super power ... Although it does sound near impossible if you were a garment which restricts your movement and what you can do.

Shallishanti · 18/10/2013 18:29

OK, lots of interesting stuff here (along with some quite ignorant stuff- and I can see how Muslim women must be fed up with hearing the same old stuff)
I have a question which I'd appreciate feedback from a woman who wears the niquab. On my street are a few women who wear the niquab. I don't have the opportunity to meet them, other than passing in the street. With my other neighbours, I can judge if they would welcome a greeting/moan about the weather/question about whether the bin men have been. From there, it's possible to build a freindly relationship, by repeating this. But with these women, I don't even know if I'm seeing the same woman I saw yesterday? I get that in more structured situations, barriers to communication may be addressed, but this is something very casual- and the niquab does seem to me like a barrier to developing neighbourliness. And DP (male) feels even more inhibited. Your thoughts?

Gauri · 18/10/2013 18:45

Muslim women have more equality in some countries such as Malaysia than other such as Afghanistan.

As an example (extreme example) most Indonesians or Malaysians or Iranians do not have 4 wife's, wear the niquab,etc... They have evolved their form of Islam to be moderate. They are tolerant of other cultures. Economically they are better off than most other Islamic countries. They are achieving or have achieved an equilibrium with religion and practical socio economic factors. This is what the Islamic society should be aspiring to.

Wearing a niquab and expecting others to tolerate you shouldn't be your lifes purpose.

Being a Muslim women, who achieves success I.e. Better education for children, care for elderly, better economic level should be the goal in sync with practice of Islam.

This niquab issue is such a petty issue to waste so much time and energy over.

crunchybargalore · 18/10/2013 19:06

I am not so sure it is a petty issue.

It is right that it is discussed.

it is extreme to wear the niqab.

KaseyM · 18/10/2013 19:46

Shallishanti I asked that questions ages ago to no avail.

LaLaLeni · 18/10/2013 19:57

Gauri, just as an FYI - I have hand and head tattoos, yet I work with disabled staff and customers in a white collar, high pay grade corporation.

I've worked with people with hearing impairments for almost ten years now, and I was originally employed to provide a tool in all situations where lip reading might be difficult. There are many situations where this happens - it could be as simple as trying to lip read a bank cashier through reflective glass, people who turn away frequently, or have a beard. Others are just impossible to lip read full stop. None of those situations involve the other person having a disability.

I just wanted to point those facts out from experience.

peacefuloptimist · 18/10/2013 20:33

Thanks LaLaLeni for helping us sort out fact from fiction. Grin You can work in high paying jobs if you have a tattoo on your face so Im sure there are some niqabis in high paying positions too.

Shallishanti, I am not a niqabi but I know a lot of niqabis. If I were you I would just start with saying hello and nodding or waving. Dont be surprised or offended if they dont respond. When I was in Next today I tried to speak to the woman behind the till as I was paying and she completely rebuffed my efforts to make conversation probably thought whats the point she's already bought something. I just assumed she had a long day and just got on with paying for my purchases. In Islam we have this saying where we say you should make 70 excuses for people rather then jumping to the worst conclusion about them. So just brush it off if you dont get a response first time and try again. You never know they might have been waiting for their chance to get to speak to you. As for how will you know who you are talking to as there are a few on your street, well I think you should be able to distinguish by features such as voice or body type or face shape etc eventually. I have quite a few friends who are niqabis (this thread has made me realise just how many niqabis I know - I wonder what that says about me Grin) and I could distinguish them all from a line up quite easily just because after a while they become very familiar as you learn mannerisms and become accustomed to recognising their features.

Herisson · 18/10/2013 20:38

This is really interesting.

I am particularly interested because there's a woman who lives down the road from me who has children at the same school as mine. She's really nice. I haven't known her very long (a couple of terms) but we got talking while waiting at the Pelican crossing one day and I am on friendly terms with her. We say hello and have a short conversation if we are walking the same way. We seem to have a reasonably similar sense of humour and both like to crack a joke at the expense of the school or moan about the latest dressing up demand.

At the beginning of this term, she started to cover her face. I had not previously known she was a Muslim and wouldn't have cared anyway (my dad was brought up Muslim although he's no longer religious, so I am certainly not anti-Islamic) but it brought up some interesting things.

  1. the first time I saw her, I wasn't actually sure if it was her or not and so I didn't wave or speak to her as I would normally have done. I don't know her well enough to have recognised her immediately from just her eyes. Possibly she thought I was being unfriendly, but I genuinely didn't realise it was her. It was just an anonymous person in black to me.

  2. I felt a bit odd about speaking to her when I did realise it was the same person. She looked so different that it didn't seem like the person I know a bit about. Previously she'd always worn jeans and sweatshirts etc (like I do) and now she is sweeping about in floor-length black robes with only her eyes visible.

  3. It made me realise that if she'd always worn that I would probably have not talked to her in the first place. I'd never have been able to catch the look of amusement that originally made us get talking.

  4. Obviously I'm not going to stop talking to her because of what she wears, but I feel distanced from her because she's made a very public proclamation that what everyone else wears (and she wore until recently) kind of isn't good enough.

  5. I feel like I can't ask her about it without coming across as judgemental so I haven't. So we probably won't go on to be actual friends now, rather than coinciding school run mums (and I think we might have done). I am, in fact, slightly judgemental about the whole business because I honestly can't see the benefit to anyone, being a confirmed atheist.

Just a few observations.

humphryscorner · 18/10/2013 21:27

Excellent post nicename

To me the niqab represents extremism and extremists of anyvk

humphryscorner · 18/10/2013 21:30

Excellent post nicename

To me the niqab represents extremism and extremists of any kind are worrying as they have no wish to join out society .

LaLaLeni · 18/10/2013 21:47

My boss is visually impaired and he doesn't communicate with his eyes. I've managed to adapt to this perfectly well, as I have with the 5 other people who have similar impairments that I've worked very closely with in the past ten years.

At the beginning I felt uneasy because I wanted to forge functional relationships with my clients (and I work 1 to 1 with them, day in, day out). It didn't take long for us to get to know each other - and in exactly the same way as any other relationship, working or otherwise.

I have friends and colleagues with whom I have never had eye contact or even heard their voices. I probably know them better for that bit of extra effort required to form those relationships. I can perhaps draw parallels to this debate from that...

swallowedAfly · 19/10/2013 07:42

i do know islam and studied with an imam for a long time in an islamic country. you don't have to be 'be' a muslim to know islam or have opinions on it or differ in interpretations of the koran, which i have read and could recite you a few surahs from in arabic.

i also know a fair bit about christianity, hinduism, buddhism - i've studied lots of religions and explored them in a more personal way through my own spiritual path of trying to work out my own beliefs and values.

i stand by my remark that in no way is wearing a veil the same as extra fasts - extra fasts are done in private to have any worth - the person doesn't let people know they are fasting so they receive no worldy rewards like status etc for doing it - it is between them and god. even on that basis it is entirely different. some muslims will see it the way you do, others not, scholars will have different views.

your view of your religion is not the only view.

swallowedAfly · 19/10/2013 07:45

for example some muslims look to the hadiths almost with equal unquestioning obedience as the koran. others see this as problematic as the koran is meant to be the revealed word of god for all time and the hadiths were written by people in their historical, cultural and power contexts and so are fallible.

if you can quote for me where in the koran it says that wearing a veil is equivalent to extra prayers or fasts i would be grateful.

swallowedAfly · 19/10/2013 07:50

as an aside i had a really interesting conversation with a local imam the other day who felt that muslim sisters in the uk had much harder lives than in muslim countries as they were often so isolated. for immigrants coming in the assumption that they will stay home, not work, not socialise with men etc was really tough as we live in such isolated domestic units here rather than cultures where women have a much more shared home life and community around the home in which to support one another.

he is working really hard to ensure that his mosque is welcoming to women and runs lots of classes and social interaction opportunities for these sisters. he is also trying to promote the importance of these women being able to integrate into british society and to interpret islam in this place and time rather than be weighed down by cultural baggage from home countries such as the veil and overly strict interpretations of koranic teachings.

i really don't pull my views entirely out of my arse you know.

UptheChimney · 19/10/2013 09:21

Interesting imam -- what is his view of the ministry of women?

You see, I don;'t have much time for any religion treating women as less than human: being required to stay away from places when they're menstruating for example, or being "churched" [purified] after childbirth, or having to cover their hair.

The Quakers have accepted the ministry of women as equal to men for quite some time; the Church of England is slowly getting their heads around the fact that women are fully human. What is the position of Islam?

CoteDAzur · 19/10/2013 09:44

In Islam, women are definitely not equal to men. Women are treated with respect (if "proper" Muslims, all covered, outwardly pious etc) but they don't have equal rights.

But they do have rights and always have - since 600 AD, Muslim women can own property & other assets, work and make money, and divorce their husbands even when husband has done no wrong, and keep their babies & small children.

I have only realized that this wasn't the case in Europe when I read a book about the history of feminism and was Shock that women in the UK couldn't do any of the above well into the 19th Century! My ancestors never had to fight and win these rights the hard way.

CoteDAzur · 19/10/2013 09:56

swallowed - re Quran & Hadith:

Quran says it is "complete, perfect, and fully detailed" and all you need to know to be a Muslim. If I were the believing type, I would no doubt be Muslim and then I would believe Quran when it says the above.

Besides, Mohammad is on record in the Hadith as saying that women's face and hands must be visible. So there is no justification for the veil from the Quran nor the Hadith.

swallowedAfly · 19/10/2013 10:12

he is interesting and also the only imam i've met llocally who is really committed to trying to create a mosque that is for all muslims of all nationalities - all the other mosques round here have a real tribal edge re: all of bangladeshi background go to mosque x etc and there is very little integration between muslim communities of different heritage.

swallowedAfly · 19/10/2013 10:13

if i was a muslim i'd go koran only - to look at the hadiths seems to contravene the message of the koran about other holy books and religions entirely.

ChildrensStoriesNet · 19/10/2013 10:46

I would be suspicious of anyone with a covered face in town, I would be wondering is this another robber as it's traditional for such people to conceal their faces.

The problem for the Niqab is you can't tell who's underneath.

A Dubai police chief claims in the media that...

"...some women in ‘niqab’ were found to be behind shoplifting from a number of malls. Though the ‘niqab’ made their identification difficult..."

Link: www.emirates247.com/news/which-dubai-women-commit-most-crimes-2013-07-07-1.513397

So apart from the other problems, it seems Niqab wearing people by default put themselves under suspicion of crime, even though that would not be true for the majority, concealment is the tool of the robber.

MistressIggi · 19/10/2013 10:50

Swallowed, do you know the answer to my earlier question? Goshannegorilla said that hijab was an obligatory action: I had honestly thought it was not specified in the Qur'an, just modesty.
I know quite a lot of Muslims through work, and they are very mixed in terms of wearing hijab/not wearing it. None wear a face veil, it's very rare to see that where I live - possibly due to the cultural background of the Muslims living here.

Venushasrisen · 19/10/2013 10:54

Thanks swallowedAfly it's very helpful to have the views of someone with genuine knowledge of different religions.

And the point about incomers being more isolated here in the UK than their own communities abroad is worth thinking about. It must be very lonely.