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Fag Free for 2005....Join us.....We need Help!

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charliecat · 13/04/2005 10:41

I cried when I read how many failures theres been and applauded hub2dees approach as sometimes theres no point pussyfooting....come on guys! Its got to be done.
I am so so so gutted that theres been vile puffing going on...did you REALLY enjoy any of them. Truely satisfying were they? No No No! Tell you what though...waking up knowing that bastard nicotine monster has got no grip on me whatsoever is liberating. I could touch the sky with the high that im free. No chain round my neck.
Remember that just one is never just one and even if it was, why would you want JUST ONE? Your aim is to STOP FOREVER.

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fee77 · 30/04/2005 12:47

Wow charlie cat that is some sofa - just did a quick sum, and if fags were £5 a packet, that sofa costs 519 packets, so the money you are saving by not smoking will go along way towards paying it off!
Evansmummy you have got to stop now - you are only having the occassional fag now but soon you will be chuffing away all day - and believe me it is even harder to stop then.
It is hard - no one here thinks it is easy as we have all been through the same, but i am now 16 weeks in and feel really good. My patio looks really nice with pots etc rather than fag butts, my skin is amillion times better, i smell fresh all day and i know i am doing the best thing for me and my dd / dh. I still have bad days when i would kill for a ciggie, but i try to remember all my pluses.
The biggest hurdle is that you have really got to want to quit - it sounds like you and mml are not yet there.

mummylonglegs · 30/04/2005 14:02

evansmummy, you're in such a fantastic position to stop NOW, just don't go any further. Trust me, if you start having the odd pack you'll be right back to square one before you know it. I've done it so many times and wish heart and soul I hadn't just had 'that one.' I know I'm no-one to preach as I'm floundering round like a real wet rag with this. BUT if I was where you are now I would be VERY careful.

cc that's an incredible sofa. I can't imagine how large your lounge is! I don't think we'd even get it through our door. I wouldn't mind having a snooze on it right now ... zzzzz ...

No progress here. Same old same old. Just posting because you guys all seem really nice and it's reassuring to hear of success stories. And of course reassuring to hear how you're all battling with the same thing as me.

charliecat · 30/04/2005 14:37

Thanks for the sum...cant wait to tell dp that.
He initially said we couldnt have the sofa...i rang him to say right...been round DFS its the only sofa I like and please please please can i sign the deal?
Well he was in the loo hiding at work and couldnt really argue his point ...so he said yes...
about a week later I realised the sofa was gonna be too big for the front room and I was so but im hoping it will be ok when I take the footstool bit off of it.
Everything else is cheap shit...(like 10 quid bookshelfs etc) but i dont care....it is sooooooo sooooo soooo comfy.
We are nice MML now you just need to join the fag free few and be on the greener side of the fence.
Allen Carr is a genius.....penetrates one brain and a fag is never just a fag IMO.
You have to stop once youve read his book, you can see every fag for what it is. It may take a while...but its his words that keep me fag free.

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hub2dee · 30/04/2005 18:17

fee77 - you're sounding very happy in your non-smoker state ! Well done. Hope you can stay around to inspire those 'in transition'

dropinthe - sorry, misunderstood, yeah that profile is just a joke. Have considered doing clinical psych diploma. Not sure. Was not ready / mature enough to do this after my degree at 22, now... maybe... dunno... hmmmm...

mml - Hi. Lots to cover for you and me

  1. Not sure about "when habits get interrupted, doubts sneaks in" ... when you stop smoking what doubts (aside from can I remain fag free) sneak in ? I would suggest that if habits need to be broken (for your benefit), you would, if you're able to keep off them, begin to feel certainty, conviction, health, strength. I'm not saying it's easy, but this seems to be the emotions conveyed by some of your fellow quitters on here.

  2. Ref - detailed difference between food and smoking addictions... if you think it's important to "get the details right" do elaborate... I think the details are perhaps a red herring and a distraction. We can deal with my weight after you've quit.

  3. Very happy to hear dp wants you to stop. He's probably never mentioned your breath because he doesn't want to upset or hurt you.... or maybe he has more than a few a month !!! I assure you the smell is foul, and the snog / intimacy is infinitely more pleasant without cigarette breath... (unless perhaps some kind of femme fatale / need for rescue / rebel-without-a-cause thingy floats his boat). Hopefully soon, when you've stopped, and he has one of his rare ones, you will see the impact on yourself. If he has occasional ones, I'd see if you can both quit at the same time so you can support each other and try and actively schedule presence of carrot sticks / activities where you can't smoke etc.

  4. motivation to stop is dd focussed - this is at once great and at once terrible. It is great that she is the light of your life and that she gives you joie de vivre, and that you might stop so that she doesn't model your behaviour or lose you prior to you being ancient, however, I would hope you can find enough about the value of your own life post artist / student self-destruct era to use motivation for your own (selfish) benefits too.

  5. Ref control... oooh... this could get terribly philosophical. I feel that my little universe IS in control. I can't control the WMDs or the chemical attack or who might win the election or whether an innocent mother gets stabbed in the neck, but I can control how I behave to my dw and others around me, how I manage my time and my finances (within certain constraints), and how I routinely choose to behave. My attitude / beliefs determine my behaviour. Going back to breakfast / ice-cream / row / fag.... I re-read your post several times and it's clear you also recognise it is nothing more than an excuse. If either mental anixety - creating text for work, or 'familial anxiety' - breakfast for dd, relationship with dp cause you to smoke, maybe learning additional ways of dealing with stress would be helpful ?

mummylonglegs · 01/05/2005 14:53

Hub,

What I meant about habit is that we have habits in order to make us feel 'in control' of our lives. When a habit gets broken or interrupted it can sometimes feel as though everything else is out of control. The habitual side of smoking is an illusory kind of 'control' (absolutely paradoxical of course because one is NEVER in control of addiction) that promises to 'make everything better.' If something goes wrong and I can't have a fag to 'make it better' I get loopy. Madness I know but if you've ever smoked you'll know what I mean.

I don't think details are red herrings in relation to different kinds of psychological addictions. No more than different kinds of psychological problems need different approaches. So, tell me about your weight!

Re. dp and my breath - to be honest he's a spliff smoker, so although he smokes them with herbal tobacco he's also a bit whiffy. And what you say: 'perhaps some kind of femme fatale / need for rescue / rebel-without-a-cause thingy floats his boat' is partly true. He fell for me when I was a stressed-out 30-a-day smoking, whisky supping skinny wreck! He doesn't have any problems stopping, he can smoke one day and then not for months depending what's happening. He doesn't understand my 'addiction', to him I just have to decide to do it and I should be able to. He's a bit of a Nietzschian.

My problem with self-motivation is that smoking was always such a huge part of my pre-dd self that I haven't found a way back to doing the kinds of things I used to. Or the bleak state of mind I used to work with which I rarely have now. I'm in conflict, there's not doubt about it. Life is the best ever but there's still a bit of me that's stuck in the 'life is shit' mode.

In terms of 'control' I think I said the same as you, generally speaking my own little corner of life is also in control. I could do with some money but hey, who couldn't? The only thing that currently keeps me awake at night is the fact that I smoke.

Sigh ...

charliecat · 01/05/2005 23:26

" The only thing that currently keeps me awake at night is the fact that I smoke"

YOU can change that, you can sleep peacefully and go to bed with an almightly grin on your face because you havent smoked for a day/week/month/whatever.

I was in the same position as you and my own self inflicted smoking habit had warped my brain so much I sat having a piss one day and wanted to kill myself just so i wouldnt have to think about fags anymore. (seriously.)

There is a choice to be made here. You either go on smoking and let it haunt you or you stop and before you know it it will become a relief to think about how far youve come from the black place you are now. Really...we will be here for you and you can type till your madness has gone.

Yes we do know what your on about...my god...we know. We are hopefully on the safer side of the fence, trying to get you here too....
...get a date in your head.
Work through all your excuses and go for it!

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dropinthe · 02/05/2005 07:55

So hub2dee-that ISNT your picture??? Just wanted to say that I have found your posts incredibly interesting-you and CC have been the voices of reason lately and very inspiring!
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend-I managed not to s moke when I had my big day out on Saturday-for all who havent seen the musical The Producers-YOU MUST! Its a great show and completely hilarious. DH and I had a really enjoyable day-wine tasting a Vineopolis-typsy meal and then to the show! Were quite subdued on the way home as realised probably wouldnt do it again for another year! Ho hum!

charliecat · 02/05/2005 11:30

Fiona would you like to me to set up a new thread for your runners group? It has 772 messages on it!!! If so what do you want it to be called?

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 11:31

you're meant to be laying that carpet charliecat!!!!!!!!!!!

charliecat · 02/05/2005 11:32

got the kids dressed....i know i know...

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charliecat · 02/05/2005 11:33

Hey your meant to be tidying up arent we lazy buggers?

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 11:33

lol

charliecat · 02/05/2005 11:35

Gonna switch this machine off dp said hes coming back from work early I thought I had the rest of the day to make it look as if id been busy all day

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 11:36

always the way, lol see ya later.xxx

charliecat · 02/05/2005 14:04

Welcome elsmommy, ive hooked her in hopefully from another thread

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 14:07

you still here cc??

charliecat · 02/05/2005 14:07

Only just paddys home from work

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 14:08

ok, needing trhat rocket

charliecat · 02/05/2005 14:10

Go tidy your house NOW

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Hermione1 · 02/05/2005 14:10

eek ok,

elsmommy · 02/05/2005 14:21

Hiya I've been told to join this thread
I gave up smoking 11 weeks ago so I'm off the patches now but still having cravings!!

almost40 · 02/05/2005 14:46

Hi elsmummy and welcome. I 'quit' about 5 months ago, and have had a few weekend lapses, but have been free and clear for at least a couple of weeks now. My big struggle now is to start to lose weight and stay off the smokes.

dropinthe · 02/05/2005 17:16

Hermione-have you decided when "D" DAY IS YET???

dropinthe · 02/05/2005 17:18

Are you around whymummy? What you up to this weekend? Charliecat-hope you dont have the same problem as us with our sofa-live in a thin townhouse so we had to remove the living room sash windows and haul it up the front wall! Lovely brown leather-EEEEEK!!

charliecat · 02/05/2005 20:30

elsmommy....hello...abandoning you after welcoming you here. WELL DONE for getting to 11 weeks that is FANTASTIC....
As you have weaned yourself off the patches your craving now are more like memories...or you are stressed out and your X-smokers brain is trying to tell you that a fag would make it better/easier/clearer/nicer/insert whatever word required.

This is an article from whyquit.com

For the benefits of newbies wondering if they will ever stop wanting a cigarette, I thought I would elaborate on the concept of "urges" that happen weeks, months or even years into a quit. When we say that the urge hits after any significant time period after being smoke free, it is a desire or a thought for a cigarette that is different than the physical "urge" experienced during initial withdrawal. Those urges are physiological craves, the body demanding nicotine to alleviate a drug withdrawal state.
The thoughts that happed down the road are triggers of fond memories. The thought is often that it seems like a good idea now to smoke a cigarette. Kind of like the urge you get to clean your house on a slow day. Seems like a good idea for a few seconds, but if you find something better to do, so be it. The same concept holds true for the thought of a cigarette.

Other times there will be thoughts of "I used to smoke when I did this." Not a desire for a cigarette or smoking, but a feeling that your timing or ritual is off. Sometimes there may even be a feeling that you are supposed to be doing "something" right now, but do not even realize what it is. All of a sudden you realize you used to smoke at this particular juncture of time or a specific new situation. Again, it is not that you want or need a cigarette in these two cases, just that the routine was a little off.

Years into a quit though, most days ex-smokers will go days, weeks and maybe even months without a thought. Even days which they call "bad" with desires, they may be going 23 hours and 59 minutes and 50 seconds without a thought, but because they think of it once, they think that was a lot. It really does get easier and easier.

The alternative side, smoking, is constantly riddled with thought of quitting. Whenever you are going to a doctor, a non-smoking friends or family home where you want to visit but cannot smoke, getting a new symptoms or aggravated by a chronic problem, read a news headline or hear a news report on television or radio on a new danger from smoking, have to pay another price increase for cigarettes, find another friend who has quit while you do not, stand outside in blizzards or heat waves or torrential downpour for the luxury of getting a quick fix or experience some horrible withdrawal because you can't escape for a cigarette or heaven forbid, you run out of cigarettes.

Yes there were plenty of times smoking made your life totally unmanageable. Not to mention the times that may come where a diagnosis of a horrible condition that require extraordinary measures to save your life that in themselves are almost as terrifying and painful as the disease itself. That unpleasant scenario still provides a chance of survival. There are frequently the cases where the first real symptom of a smoking induced illness is sudden death. Then you don't even have a chance to save your life.

As an ex-smoker, there may be times you want a cigarette. As a smoker, there will be times you want to quit. Neither side is perfect, but the ex-smoker side has clear advantages. It will get easier and easier over time getting to the point of smoking becoming a thing of the past. The smoking side leads to a much more ominous road.

Keep focused, whether it is hours into a quit or decades into a quit. It was a good decision to quit, maybe the most important decision you have made in your life as far as quality and length of your life goes. To keep the decision alive and continue to reap the benefit, always remember, Never Take Another Puff!

Reading these things always makes me feel back in control and makes me breath a little slower. Hope it does the same for you!

What inspired you to quit and how long have you been on MN?

oh yeah...and I have big boobs so you would be of them...what I wont mention is that a) they are saggy and b) I sacrificed a pretty face for them

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