Plan for new vaccine for babies ...

[MrsBigD]

Aren't our poor little mites 'stabbed' enough?! DS wasn't impressed with the new 5-in-1 in one leg and the MengC in the other as it was. So now they want to add something else into the 5-i-1 coctail?!

I'm all for keeping our lo's happy and healthy, but ...

"... She said: "We always take parents' fears and worries into account, but whatever decision is made will be based on protecting children as best as we possibly can."

Yeah right!

Gotta love this excerpt...

"I really do worry that if we can't introduce these sort of vaccines we are going to see a return to diseases that we thought we had broadly seen the last of in this country."

Well in the case of MMR... imho if they'd make the single vaccines more readily available (be it for a cost or not) then that wouldn't be a problem would it now!

I am lucky enough to have a clinic nearby that does singles for the MMR and I don't mind paying the £80-90 per shot either. DD did react badly to her first imms (2nd lot at 3 months) so they actually didn't give her the 3rd whooping cough injection for fear she might react again.

Hmmm, re-reading the above ya might get the impression I'm a bit biased against this subject couldn't you

gwenick, take a look at this, i mean if you are really interested, read some of the answers to these questions...then come back and tell me that mothers and fathers that choose not to vaccinate are ignorantly following media driven scare stories...whether or not you agree or disagree, imo there are extremely valid reasons for questioning not just the safety but also the efficacy of vaccination per se, not just mmr. having said that i totally respect parents who choose to vaccinate and would never attack them on the basis that we differ in what we see as the best for our children's health.

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DS had his first lot of vaccines yesterday - 5 in 1 and the pneumococcal.

After 3 hours he screamed for nearly an hour (that horrible high pitched cry) and finally succumbed to Tylenol and exhaustion.

Even DH (a doctor) was quite alarmed.

I'm going to see if I can be vaccinated instead so I can pass on the antibodies.

sophable - I've seen that website before, and read it thoroughly along with others along a similar line both 'for' and 'against' vaccinations - and have still come to a strong conclusiong that vaccinations are useful and do help to contribute towards a decrease in illnesses.

Just looked through this and I see there's people asking about the Canadian vaccines. I live in Vancuover and our schedule is:

2,4 and 6 mo and 2 years: 5 in 1, pneumococcus, HepB

(Men C is being added to this as of March)

MMR and Men C is offered at 1 year.

DH says that the 5 in 1 must be pretty ineffective if it's being given so often. Either that or the infant immune system can't mount an effective reaction to it.

I feel sick that I let my son be injected with mercury - nobody told me the vaccines contained a highly potent neuro-toxin or that other countries did not inject tiny babies with poison or that the American Academy of Peadiatrics had called for it to be withdrawn or that it caused brain changes and, in animal tests, autism-like symptoms in vulnerable subjects. I don't think that kind of history creates trust between governments and parents, frankly.
I have immunised my son (single vaccines and those bloody mercury laced jabs) but most of the big diseases were showing huge falls long before vaccination. Sometimes diseases do simply die out. No black death anymore, for example.

I would imagine if we still lived in poor sanitation and living conditions than the diseases would be very prevelent today, not all vaccinations handy work?

oh my seems like I stirred up quite a hornets nest with this

Gwenick - I only mentioned MMR as an example of no options being readily available didn't mean to spark an MMR debate.

I am fully for protecting our lo's as much as possible. However, IMHO there are is a better and wider range of medical treatments available nowadays IN CASE a child or person catches a disease. that and with improved sanitation surely must also be considered.

As for the 'fallout' question... I don't know exactly hwo long the 5-in-1 has been around, but dd didn't have it (she's now 3). So imho long term effects cannot be documented yet.

I better go and duck away now...

Like aloha I also feel sick at having DS injected with mercury and other so called preservatives.

The MMR does not and never did contain thimorsal (sp) which is the mercury part, but we still went down the singe route as all the attention seems to be about MMR. My concern would be for the jabs given at 3,4,5 months (pre 5 in 1, that now does not contain thimorsal) which were given to DS. I find it highly concerning that autisitc children have a high rate of mercury in their hair as their bodies can't deal properley with the toxins. Coincindence?

MrsBigD, are you in London by any chance? I am looking for a Doc to do the single vaccines.

Chickpea - yes I am

There's a doc in West London near Gillets Corner/A4 turnoff to Sion Park who did dd. I'm assuming he's still there. i can dig out the address if you want it.

otherwise there's a clinic in Eltham (SE London). My friend lives near there

Just a question but what are your reasons for choosing the single jabs. By the way this isn't a trick question(!) just curious cos DS is due for his MMR next month.

The things that bother me are

1. The ingredients of the vaccines.
2. The age that they are given.
3. The fallout/side effects/long term possible problems?
4. The natural immunity balance being upset and damaged.

Then I see the the way they handle things at a higher level and it appears to me that it's not strictly on the level!
Re reporting adverse effects, batch no's,changing the combinations of vaccines with misleading reasons why.
That's just my thoughts though.

my main concern was (and also would have been without the controversy being so heated about MMR) that dd was very small for her age and as she already had had an adverse reaction to one other vaccines at an early stage, I just didn't want to overload her tiny body with 3 aggressants at a time

You can also get single vaccines from Dr. Eden (www.e-med.co.uk) He has a private clinic at St. Elizabeth and St. John (nearest tube stop St. Johns Wood). My dd has had the measels and rubella from him, and due for Mumps this month.

Don't know if this location is any better for you.

Mrs. Big D, I'm interested in the one in Syon Park as it would be more convenient for me. If you've got any info, I'd appreciate it.

Chicpea,
The clinic I used is in London. This is their website www.directremedies.com
The main reason we went for single vacines is that a) A Consultant from National Autistic association who ran a course I was on,(for work) believed in the link.
b) BIL probably has Aspergers Syndrome - so could be a genetic predispositon.
C) when I had a load of vacinations to travel to Africa years ago, Doctors insisted I have each vacination two weeks apart. I didnt understand why a procedure considered unsafe for me could be safe for my child.

Uwila dd had her vaccs here
:

dr-child zone
31 Harewood Road Isleworth Middlesex TW7 5HB T.08451304595

I found the doc there great as he's got kids himself and treats any kid he 'torments' to chocolate afterwards

I think that is the same clinic I used. They have another surgery in Sunbury,where DS had the mumps vacine ( after nearly a year on the waiting list)

I personally chose single vaccines on a 'why not?' basis really. They are just as effective and anyway dh was more against MMR than I was. We didn't know then about the mercury in the other jabs. I would never dream of criticising anyone who has chosen the MMR though, which is most of my friends.

Oh, silly me. We actually live in Sunbury. So, when dd2/ds1 comes due for the jabs, we'll go to the Sunbury clinic.

I would also never dream of criticising any choice a parent makes on vaccinations. After all... it's their choice . I just hate it that everytime I get asked by the doc or HV if dd has had all her imms I get looked at very disapprovingly when they find out she's had singles

something just occured to me reading one of my baby magazines and you probably think it's a naive question but... have to ask it anyhow...

If I got it right the health system suggests that a baby can easily handle the immuno responses to lots of early immunisations. However, the government pushes the idea that we should breastfeed up to 6 months because our lo's immune system is not mature enough and needs every help it can get.

(This is not to start a new debate on whether to bf or bottlefeed, just a question )

[quickly poses question]

So how does that match up?

[quickly ducks away now before the barrage]

I have only scanned the messages, but got the general gist and thought i would add my two penneth.
When dd was 7 mths she got bacterial menningitis. We had a very worrying 4-5 days when we didn't know what was wrong, then she was admitted to hospital and had anti-biotics daily through a cannular. She was treated like a pin cushion, if i could have given her a single jab to stop that i would have. Thankfully she seems to have made a full recovery but there is a chance she could have special needs or deafnesss. People do have the right to chose, but be aware of the dangers there are to an unvaccinated child. Apparently menningitis is very common - in some people it could be a headache, others it can lead to all sorts of trouble. Don't dismiss these things - read all you can before making a decision. I have had dd vaccinated aginst everything, and would keep her in alittle bubble if i could!

I'm not dismissing the vaccines as such just the way they are being introduced, especially with packing more and more into one shot, and that if single vaccines are preferred by parents that it is being made a tad difficult to obtain them.

I hope your dd will be fine