Plan for new vaccine for babies ...

[MrsBigD]

Aren't our poor little mites 'stabbed' enough?! DS wasn't impressed with the new 5-in-1 in one leg and the MengC in the other as it was. So now they want to add something else into the 5-i-1 coctail?!

I'm all for keeping our lo's happy and healthy, but ...

"... She said: "We always take parents' fears and worries into account, but whatever decision is made will be based on protecting children as best as we possibly can."

Yeah right!

Gotta love this excerpt...

"I really do worry that if we can't introduce these sort of vaccines we are going to see a return to diseases that we thought we had broadly seen the last of in this country."

Well in the case of MMR... imho if they'd make the single vaccines more readily available (be it for a cost or not) then that wouldn't be a problem would it now!

I am lucky enough to have a clinic nearby that does singles for the MMR and I don't mind paying the £80-90 per shot either. DD did react badly to her first imms (2nd lot at 3 months) so they actually didn't give her the 3rd whooping cough injection for fear she might react again.

Hmmm, re-reading the above ya might get the impression I'm a bit biased against this subject couldn't you

don't work effectively??? I'm confused - if they don't work effectively how come things like smallpox have virtually been eradicated and Rabies is now non existent in the UK? Not to mentionn massive reductions in other illnesses?

I see more people being DIAGNOSED as being autistic - how many used to be autistic but merely packed off to the 'mad house'. Good grief - it took 40yrs for my mother to be recognised as being dyslexic!

Autism is on the increas in Zimbabwe too - but you know what - they don't have the MMR jab - and as far as I'm aware the MMR is the only one being blamed for autism.

Which other neurological illnesses are on the increase - I'm intrigued - no genuinely I'm not being funny.

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Socci - like I said it took 40yrs for someone to realise my mum was dyslexic - and almost 10yrs after her first symptoms appeared they FINALLY decided to look into it more closely and discovered Parkinson's disease. And Parkinson's isn't even difficult to diagnose - a simply brain scan and they can see - in black and white.

Autism is much more complex - and yes some do slip through the net - but in days gone by those that slipped through the net would still probably have ended up in a 'mad house' with the rest of them!

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Socci - you obviously don't know much about history from your response! Not much more than 100yrs ago in this country people who were considered 'different' - whether through neurological, or physilogical difference were genereally packed off to the aslyum - commonly known as the 'mad house'.

For the record my mother would have been sent off their too. along with her two siblings, and a young cousin of mine (well not so young anymore now 8)

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well perhaps - before jumping down my throat about a statement you should ask me what i mean???

and btw - did you see my question about other neurological illnesses on the increase???

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Wow, I've just now caught up with this. Where is Jimjams when we need her?!?! Oh yeah, recovering from a c-section. Guess we'll have to carry on without her. And, Jimjams, good luck on a speedy recovery!

Anyway, I find the argument about increased diagnosis to be an invalid one because Autism has not just risen at an astonishing rate over the last 50 years. If you read the statistics, it has gone up dramatically in the last 5 years. It continues to rise, and we've been diagnosing it for some time now. If you look at the rates in places like Missouri or Michigan in the states, that numbers are so fantastically high that an increased diagnosis can only explain a very small part of the rise. Something in modern society (whether it's the MMR or something in the environment or what I don't know) is causing this tragedy. And, until someone can tell me what that cause is, I'm not ruling out that vaccinations could possibly play a role.

Also, whenever this debate arises, those pro MMR seem to be arguing between the mmr and no vaccination at all. My dd has been single vaxed, and the next one will be too. Why is that a problem?

Firstly let me apologise - I was a bit of a cow last night (to say the very least) bit of PMT I think.

2ndly - of course I don't trust the governmetn 100%, but I've read all the information I can, from across the world, and concluded that vaccines DO work (how many people do you know who've had diptheria, polio, etc - how many people do you know, in comparison to your parents knowing, that have had measles, mumps or rubella) I only know one person who's had mumps - that was when I was a child. And although I've 'heard' of people that had it when they were younger, almost everyone my parents know was affected by one of three when they were children.

How was smallpox eradicated, or how did we rid this country of rabies if vaccines don't work? Surely my dad should be suffering some of the long term effects of vaccinations by now, he's been vaccinated for just about everything going since he was a kid (And also as adult) as he's travelled a lot.

And how come children who haven't had vaccinations still get conditions such as ADHD and Autism??

If it's only gone up dramtically in the last 5yrs how can we blame mmr??? It's been given across the world since the 1970's, and in the UK since 1988 - surely the rise should have been seen much sooner than in the last 5yrs??

Your comment on MMR and no vaccinations at all confuses me. "I" thought we were only talking about not having the MMR, but later, what I understood is that some parents on here have chosen not to vaccinate at all. At least that was my understand of some of the later comments.

Incidenly - in zimbabwe, where Autism is also on the increase, MMR doesn't exist - only single injections. And I still saw a lot of people there with Measles, mumps and rubella (or suffering the effects of).

That's fair enough - and I do apologise - but I must also add that I felt you WERE saying I was a crap mother (well not exactly that) by putting my child at 'risk' by vaccinating and not understanding the 'facts' properly, because there's not been enough 'research' done.

I didn't mean that the rise began 5 years ago. I mean that the rise has continued for many years. And if you look only at the last five years you will see a major increase in autism cases. And therefore it could not be attributed to increased ability (and willingness) to diagnose autism.

Oh right, I also wanted to make the point that comparing vaccinations of 50 years ago to those of today isn't really comparing apples to apples. Vaccines change all the time (like the new 5 in 1). This is a new vaccine, it has been around for 1 year, not 50. Why couldn't we just leave it the way it was, and remove the thermosil component. Oh, I know, because then the NHS would have had to admit why they were taking the thermosil out... because it wasn't actually as safe as they said it was when they injected it into my dd1.

Oh this is scary stuff when you're pregnant!

I'm due in 7 weeks and i have no idea what to do. I think i'll try for the triple thimerosil free called Infanrix which dd had. Now i'll have another one on the menu.
I think your last point makes perfect sense Uwila, it seems the N.H.S are always contradicting themselves!
For example, people on here were told that Infanrix was not effective/si=uitable as first jabs but my dd was given it as they'd run out of the other one at that time. So it seems it was o.k for my dd, (though i wasn't told at the time that she was having anything different!!!)

Oh i don't look forward to the decisions in a few months!!

BTW, i'm glad they'd run out with hindsight as i also wasn't aware that the one they were supposed to use contained thimerisol, (although we know that that's safe anyway, even though they took it out.......sigh!!!!yeah right!)

Angeliz,
If this is of any use to you, I can tell you what I plan to do. If the new 5 in 1 is as it is today, then my dd2/ds1 (don't know the sex yet)will have that jab. If they go and add three more components to it, I will have to re-evaluate the plan. I'll worry about it when and if it happens. Either way, I think I'm going to set the schedule back by a month or two. That is, instead of going at 2, 3, and 4 months, I think I'll show up at 3,4, and 5 months (or maybe even 4,5, and 6).

Just to add a little extra info to your discussion, but I believe that the new 5 in 1 has been used in Canada for a number of years and in other countries in Europe. I asked my husbands aunt who lives in Canada for her advice (works in the caring profession). I also asked an old family friend who was a recently retired HV and asked my HV for her honest opinion as well. We got our little one done with the jabs recently, felt the research so far was good in other countries, and didn't want my little one to come down with anything that we could actually prevent. I had all my jabs in the past and have decided that all my children will have the same.

Hi Poppy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Canadian jabs are similar, but that the ingredients aren't actually identical to the ones in the UK. Although, for the life of me, I can't remember what the difference is. I could be wrong about this?