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This is the one where none of us fail! -Quitting fags thread.

439 replies

charliecatthenonsmoker · 15/10/2004 16:29

Waiting for some friends to join me!

OP posts:
charliecat · 23/10/2004 22:58

Oh yes read the thread, now type in the letter like a word, mine was west

charliecat · 23/10/2004 22:58

and do it till you check the door to the right is open

mammya · 23/10/2004 22:59

Yes I've done that (east) but nothing happening? Will try again, thanks cc

mammya · 23/10/2004 22:59

yeah! it worked...

charliecat · 23/10/2004 23:00

The door just opens and your like OMG has that been open all the time???

charliecat · 23/10/2004 23:00

Excellent, i havent been there for a while as they realy frustrate the hell out of me

charliecat · 23/10/2004 23:02

This is the one where none of us fail!

Think my thread title was a good omen

charliecat · 23/10/2004 23:26

Off to bed myself now, Must keep kids up for hours in future..the silence is deafning!

fionagib · 24/10/2004 16:18

Hi folks, well done on last few days - don't you have iron wills! cc I love it that you said something about non smoking is your way of life now, that's just brilliant.

Congrats mammya!! cold turkey too!

poor mm - it is bloody stressful at other people's houses - my mil is in hosp now, soon to go into a care home (alzheimers) but before she got ill, five years or so ago, the boys would be whirling about her house, with all this precious cut glass, and huge, heavy vases that could've split their heads open - it used to freak me - more about potential injury than breaking things. I think people just forget what little kids are capable of! Anyway glad you survived it mm...

Had a great party last night, well I think it was great - fianlly hit the sack at 10 to 6 this morning. Am all fuddled, poisoned, knackered, vit b12 deficient (ie anaemic, doc says, which I think explains party faint, and panic attack on motorway - a general kinda dizzyness) and of course fagged out - you're right cc, haven't enjoyed many, just fagging for disgusting sake of it - am looking forward to quitting... have lozenges at the ready for tomorrow.

Oh year sorry to ramble but... after I put up 'lost' signs all over town for sam's cuddly monkey, and spent ages trawling ebay, and cc created the lost toy thread - the other day I noticed a floorbaord sticking up in the boys' room, lifted it up and peeked under the floor to see... sam's monkey.

He said, 'Oh, yeah, I forgot - I put monkey in a tomb.'

aaaggghh!!

Hope your flu's better cc, and them horrible farts.

Catch up tomorrow girls, will be all minty mouthed & & sweaty tortoise necked! yum!
love xxxxx

charliecat · 24/10/2004 16:47

I was wondering ABOUT THE MONKEY oops caps on ....you should update the lost thread. That is great!!!!!!!!
Good story for years to come
Now you need to take a piccy of sam and the monkey so if he really does get lost you can put up posters
I want you to really bloody try Fg tommorw, no fags EVER again. The first day of this stop I read that joels site for hours and printed out nuggetts and they are beside the kitchen sink and i read them every day. That and the counter is doing it for me.
You will suffer much abuse if you commit any smoking activitys. OKKKKK??????
Glad you party was good. 10 to 6???????? it must have been

fionagib · 24/10/2004 18:37

yeah am not gonna crumble no matter how bad the cravings get - don't think they do get that bad with lozenges, I was being a big baby about it when I crumbled before... a bit 'boo hoo I wanna fag, gimme one...'

Hope you've had good w'end - yes, will update monkey now,
speak tomorrow xxxx

charliecat · 24/10/2004 19:28

Fiona, the quit timer is here and a whole list of why you wont be smoking as of 25/10/04 is here
My heart is with you and you will do it!!!
Is Jimmy still up for it?
The lozengers stop that vicious circle of thoughts I find...thank goodness.
Good day here, got the kids Xmas shopping done, lots of 20% off polly pocket and a free £5 gift voucher in argos when we spent over £50. Just a gameboy advance to go and im gonna get that on the credit card on Monday or we wont be able to afford the rent!

fionagib · 24/10/2004 19:58

Blimey you're organised cc!!!

Thanks for your lovely supportive post & the links, am gonna have an early night & catch up tomorrow with the clock thingie activated!

have a good eve xxxx

charliecat · 24/10/2004 20:08

I am too organised, the only things left to buy by Xmas will be the stuff for folks id actually rather not buy for , mean while the kids goodies have been here for AGES. Still need to get them something for thier birthday although thats nearly covered too and some stocking fillers.....i ho i ho its off to shop I go!
Roll on tommorow FG

minkmama · 24/10/2004 20:24

hi guys!

glad to know you had a great time at your party, how many people were there? i can't remember the last time i had the irresponsibility to stay up till the morning will have to wait till the kids are older i guess!

i've only just started to think about xmas cc and i thought htat was organised!!

have to get sorted about ds1's birthday at the end of nov - was thinking about making the cake myself this year ha ha!!!

am craving....

have tried to drown it out with the old red!

charliecat · 24/10/2004 20:29

Lozenge MM lozenge

minkmama · 24/10/2004 20:46

don't worry, i'm off to eat an apple and blackberry crumble instead, besides, there are no fags in this house!!

get fit and get fat!!

charliecat · 24/10/2004 21:03

Sitting here munching on pakora...reading again...this make my heart stop:

The tobacco industry spends billions of dollars to hook new smokers and keep others from quitting. It has to, because it's losing 1,000 customers per day ? they're dying

charliecat · 24/10/2004 21:07

Amending the Law of Addition

?Just one puff? and then ?do not pass go, do not collect $200, but go directly to the addict?s prison and surrender your freedom for good.? It isn?t that the recovering nicotine addict doesn?t know or believe the law of addiction because we do. It?s just that we begin to believe that we?re the exception. We convince ourselves that we?re stronger and smarter than those who discovered the law, and wiser than all addicts who came before us. We amend the law. We put ourselves above it. ?Just one, it?ll be ok, I can handle it, I'm stronger than the others, a little reward, it's been a while, I?ve earned it.?

I?m sorry. As soon as such thoughts begin infecting the mind they tend to start feeding on themselves and in all likelihood your body's period of healing and freedom is over. Your dreams and hard work are all being thrown into a dirty toilet that one puff of nicotine is about to flush.

Instead of saying that you can handle? just one ,? a truthful statement would have been ?I can handle them all, give them all back to me, my entire addiction, all the ashtrays, the coughs, the stink, the endless stream of 4,000 plus deadly chemicals that come with each puff (including 43 known cancer causing agents), the constant gradual destruction of every cell in my lungs and the gradual clogging and hardening of every blood vessel in my body, the 50/50 chance of killing myself at least 14 years early, all the money it will cost me to stay enslaved for years and years to come (together with massive future price increases designed to get me to quit), the growing social pressures that will make me feel even more like an outcast, I want it all back, all of it!?

It?s far easier for the junkie mind to create a one puff or one cigarette exception to the ?law? than admit the truth. A one pack a day addiction is 7,300 cigarettes a year. Don?t picture smoking just one. Instead, picture yourself sticking at least a year's supply into your mouth all at once. Try fitting them all into your mouth because in truth that's exactly where they'll be going, year after year after year. ?To thine own self be true.? You deserve the truth - you paid the price - you earned it.

The Perfect Excuse

The excuse can be anything. Usually the addict waits for that great excuse to come along, but some get tired of waiting and any old excuse will do. Even joy! A reunion with an old smoking buddy, a few drinks with friends, a wedding, a graduation, or even a baby?s birth and a free nicotine laden cigar, or trying a harmless looking new nicotine delivery device like the 27 flavors of suckers, the straw, lozenges, candy or even nicotine water or soda, why not! But joyful or even stupid nicotine relapse is harder to explain to yourself and to those you love.

The smart nicotine addict waits for the great excuse, the one that we know we can sell to ourselves and others. As sick as it may sound, the easiest to sell and the best of all is the death of a loved one. Although everyone we love is destined to die and it will happen sooner or later, for the reformed addict it?s the perfect excuse for relapse. I mean, who can blame us for ingesting highly addictive drugs into our bodies upon our mother?s death. Anyone who does would have to be extremely insensitive or totally heartless! Right? Losing a job, the end of a relationship, serious illness, disease or financial problems are all great excuses too - it?s drug time again! The addict is back!

Lost Memories

But an excuse doesn?t work alone. It needs help. Failing memories of ?why? we were willing to put ourselves through the anxieties and emotion of physical withdrawal, and weeks and weeks of psychological adjustment in order to break free, breathe fatal life into any excuse. Most of us failed to keep a detailed record of why we commenced recovery or what it was like. Instead, we are forced to rely upon our memory to accurately and vividly preserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But now, the memory in which we placed all our trust has failed us.

It isn?t that your memory is bad, faulty or doing anything wrong. In fact, it?s working as it should to preserve in as much detail as possible the joyful events of life, while forgetting, as quickly as possible, all the pain and anguish that we?ve felt, including our disdain for the addict's life we lived. To have our brains do otherwise would make life inside our minds unbearable. If women were forced to remember the true agony and intense pain of childbirth, most would have just one. We are each blessed with the gift to forget.

So how does the reformed nicotine addict who failed to keep accurate records of their journey revive their passion for freedom and recall liberty's price? If we forget the past, are we destined to repeat it? Not necessarily. It doesn?t have to be. But just as any loving relationship needs nourishment to flourish, we can never take our recovery for granted or the flame will eventually die and the fire will go out. We have to want to protect this glory until the day we die. We have to turn that "want" into action. If we do, we win. If not, our fate may be up in the air with serious risk of relapse followed by crippling disease or even a very early grave.

Whether it?s daily, weekly or monthly, our recovery needs care. If you don?t have a detailed log to regularly review when faced with adversity, upon each anniversary of your quit or at each birthday, do your best to create one now. Talk to those still smoking and ask for help in revitalizing your memories. Encourage them to be as truthful as possible. Although they may look like they?re enjoying their addiction to smoking nicotine, the primary joy they get is in keeping their body?s blood serum nicotine level within the comfort zone, so as to avoid the onset of the anxieties and craves of early withdrawal. Show them your pen and paper and invite them to help you create your list. You may even cause a spark in them. Be kind and sincere. It wasn't long ago that those were our shoes.

Also, try envisioning the first week. What was it like? Can you still feel the powerful craves as your body begged and cried to be fed? Can you still feel the pain? Do you see yourself not being able to concentrate, having difficulty sleeping, feeling depressed, angry, irritable, frustrated, restless, with tremendous anxiety, a foggy mind, sweating palms, rapidly cycling emotions, irrational thinking, emotional outbursts or even the shakes? Do you remember these things? Do you remember the price you paid for freedom? Do you remember why you were willing to pay it?

If you have access to a computer, you won't need a smoker?s help or even to recall the early days of your own journey. You can go on-line to scores of smoking cessation support groups and find thousands of battles being fought, hear tons of cries and watch hundreds struggling for survival as they cling to the promise of the rich sense of inner calmness, quiet and comfort that lies beyond. Visit as often as possible. Make a few posts to those in need. The most important thing you can tell them is the truth about why you are there. Tell them how comfortable and complacent you've become. It's what they yearn to hear! Many smoked their entire adult life and have a difficult time believing that withdrawal isn't permanent. Fear of the unknown is frightening. Help them and in doing so help yourself.

If you find yourself attempting to rewrite the law of addiction, stop, think, remember, read, revisit, revive and give to others, but most important, be honest with you. Terrible and emotional events will happen in each of our lives - such is life. Adding full-blown nicotine relapse to any situation won?t fix, correct or undo your underlying concern. In your mind, plan for disaster today. How will you cope and keep your healing alive should the person you love most in this world suddenly die? What will you do?

Remember, we've only traded places with our chemical dependency and the key to the cell is one puff of nicotine. As long as we stay on this side of the bars, we are the jailors and our dependency the prisoner. We only have two choices. We can complete this temporary period of adjustment and enjoy comfortable probation for life or we can smoke nicotine, relapse, and intentionally inflict cruel and unusual punishment upon these innocent bodies for the remainder of their life, together with inviting a 50/50 chance that you'll be putting yourself to death. If the first choice sounds better - comfortable lifetime probation - then we each need only follow one simple rule - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Breathe deep, hug hard, live long!

mammya · 24/10/2004 23:51

Hi guys! How are you all doing? I'm still nicotine-free (132 unsmoked ciggies!) but today had some very strong cravings for some reason. Was out with dd in the West End, perhaps seeing people smoking/smelling the smoke? I don't know but I resisted.

Very powerful stuff that you posted cc!
For me what works is to remember how vile everything smells when I smoke and also not wanting to hear again my lovely dd telling me she doesn't want a cuddle because I stink... And also that terrible, retching early-morning smokers' cough.

Fiona, I wish you strength for tomorrow. You can do it!

charliecat · 25/10/2004 08:05

Hi Mammya you are doing marvelouslly still ...absoultly brilliant. If you have even one fag now you will replace all the nicotine in your system and you will be back to 20-30 a day in an instant. If you read through our old threads you will see thats exactly whats happened to each and everyone of us. And its never been Just One.
We all have too experienced the everyone else is smoking its everywhere...let me at it!!!! That was probably the nicotines last attempt at getting you to smoke. By now he will be dead, the nicotine is out of your system and YOU ARE a non smoker.
Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just going off to see if i can find whatever it is im currently reading beside my fridge for you.
BTW im 2 w 2 d 22 h ...woohoo!

charliecat · 25/10/2004 08:23

Cant find it so here is a shortened badly spelt version!

As an ex smoker there may be times when you want a cigarette- As a smoker there will be times when you want to quit. Neither side is perfect. but the ex smokers side has clear advantages. It will get easier and easier over time getting to the point of being a thing of the past. The smoking side leads to a much more ominious road.
Keep focused, whether it be hours into a quit or decades into a quit. It was a good decision to quit, maybe the most important decision you have made in your life. To keep the decision alive and continue to reap the benefit, always remember dont doubt and never take another puff!

charliecat · 25/10/2004 08:26

And for you Fiona the biggest hug and I am sitting on your shoulder watching and if you pick up a fag today im going to come alive and poke you in the eye with it!!!!!!!!

And MM me too, cheese and onion toast and pakora is my fave mucnh out at the mo.

See you all much later. Going to see my friend in Ashford so will be HOURS.
Dont have any fags while im gone

fionagib · 25/10/2004 09:22

Okay folks am with you! dh said he would quit too but he has a day off & is still in bed, dunno how strong his resolve will be! Thanks so much for the AC stuff cc, and mm and mammya's words of encouragement...

you're all doing fantastically and I wanna be in your non smoking club!!!

right, am gonna set the counter.... feeling v

fionagib · 25/10/2004 11:11

grrr, can't get the silkquit to work, am gonna get dh to help
have only thought about fags about 9 times!!!