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Boil/abscess between breasts - large

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Becca19962014 · 02/07/2019 21:28

So I've had a boil for about ten days which over the last few days has got much worse. It's been growing and growing inward not outward because of the location. I spoke to an oncall GP who prescribed a days worth of antibiotics until I could see my GP today which I started yesterday as I was feeling seriously unwell (dizzy/sick/diabetes issues).

GP was very concerned because of location - it's literally between my breasts, I can't go without a bra as they're so big the skin between is very thin due to Ehlers danlos (EDS) rips open, and it's growing inward. They said to give it 3 days of antibiotics and go to hospital to get it "sorted out"

I am extremely phobic of hospitals/Drs/anyone medical even seeing GP is a massive problem. I had a panic attack at GP surgery and ended up locking myself in the toilet for ages sobbing in fear, eventually having to leave when staff came in to see if I was ok.

The only access I have in terms of mental health is the mindfulness group which made things worse, everything I tried to do to combat phobia has made it worse.

Is it likely to go away just with antibiotics? I can't have the ideal ones for it as I can't have penicillin so am on erithromycin. She was really worried but couldnt do anything in the surgery due to the location.

Local anaesthetic doesn't work with me at all due to my EDS so it'll have to be done without on top of having to actually go in without fainting (which I've not been able to do in ages) and I can't have any dressing on it due to the location as it just falls off because of my EDS.

Does anyone know about these things?

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TreeSunset · 03/07/2019 11:04

Lovely, don’t worry about the local anaesthetic as they might give you a short general anaesthetic anyway.

Can you phone and speak to your GP and they can send you into hospital to the surgeons?

LoafofSellotape · 03/07/2019 11:07

They might even be able to use numbing cream if it's possible.

I do think you need to keep it covered though. Put a square of shiny sided dressing over it to keep it clean,the sort that's used for burns. Menolin I think it's called.

Kanga83 · 03/07/2019 12:12

Would Emla numbing cream be an option? It's used to prep the skin for cannulas. I would say it's worth having a telephone chat with your GP /hospital and ask for entinox (gas and air). It will relax you and make you less anxious, and the effects wear off as soon as you stop breathing it in.

BatFacedGirl · 03/07/2019 13:01

If you can't go to A & E and the GP can't do it and you can't treat it yourself at home or change your bra and you can't overcome your fear then I think the only option for you right now is to stick with the antibiotics in the hope they do something.

There's no other advice really. And then looking to prevent a reoccurrence once this is all done and dusted

TrendyNorthLondonTeen · 03/07/2019 13:06

OP you NEED too see a doctor before you become seriously ill.

lolaflores · 03/07/2019 13:16

Take the valium, concentrate on a step at a time. Do some breathing. Explain to the staff at reception how you are feeling. Perhaps ask for a psych nurse to attend and reassure if they possibly have 1 available.
Are you with a mental health team? Someone to support you?

lolaflores · 03/07/2019 13:18

Honestly, this is going to be a bigger problem shortly that will be entirely out of your control.
Try and have a little faith that the staff have your best interest at heart.

Soola · 03/07/2019 13:20

Why can’t you ask for a GP to visit you st home due to your phobia?

It seems a reasonable request under the circumstances.

Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 13:47

I cannot have Valium nor can I have anyting that relaxes my body due to other conditions becoming life threatening

GP surgery cannot do anything more. They only visit people who are medically housebound e.g. Completely unable to move at all which I am not. There are two Drs and one nurse. That's it.

No mental health support. Referral rejected.

Best interests? They don't give a shit just about getting their beds free ASAP. Last time I went there they rang my abusive family and abusive ex and told them to come and get me. As they've never been prosecuted I don't get a say in them not doing that and had to run away so they wouldn't find me there. They don't give a damn.

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Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 13:48

Sorry for random underlining! Thought it did something else.
Opps.

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IdblowJonSnow · 03/07/2019 13:49

Hi op.
This sounds tough. Can a friend or relative accompany you?
You can carefully draw around it and then tomorrow you'll know if it's getting bigger or not.
Keep it very clean for now. If it bursts externally, great, if internally then you could end up with an infection.
I've had several abscesses under my arms previously which were really painful and made me feel fluey. Had cellulitus sometimes which luckily didn't become sepsis.
If it gets worse could you bite the bullet and just go, knowing that you'll be a state but in all likeliness they will have encountered phobics before and could have staff who can help manage you/your phobia?
Fingers crossed that the antibiotics sort it.

ahumanfemale · 03/07/2019 14:06

OP I've been sexually assaulted by medics (plural - happened more than once in différence countries). I TOTALLY get the problem with going to hospitals. People seem to think they're safe places that nobody really likes anyway, so just suck it up. But it's not like that. Not at all.

Sadly we can't always avoid hospitals. And the more we try to the more likely we are to end up in one!

Medically I have no real advice, but for the panic attacks and PTSD I can tell you what I do.

If I can (don't think this is possible for you this time) I go in advance on another day and go to the department I will have to go to. Without the horrific stress of being treated, I find the route and make myself familiar with how to get there. I then go over the route again and again and again in my head until the appointment day so it's almost familiar when I get there.

On the day I make sure I'm really early. Rushing there is far, far too much stress on top.

I try to ONLY look at the floor. Occasionally I need to look at signs etc but I avoid, at all costs, looking at medical staff in corridors and I look away if I see a patient wheeled on a gurney or hospital bed.

Headphones playing loud music are really helpful to distract! They also stop, or reduce, horrible thoughts flooding my mind. And I don't care if people think I'm rude, or they're too loud: this is survival.

I live abroad right now and I think the system is different but I have on my medical notes that I have PTSD and hospitals are triggers and want female staff whenever possible. Anybody treating me sees this message first. If this wasn't available I'd have a card with: "I have PTSD from sexual assault by a medic. Being here is very hard and I'm trying not to have a panic attack." or something similar that is hand to the practitioner. I'm not ashamed of this because it wasn't me who attacked anybody. I don't like to share it but it's better if they know than don't especially ifi start having a panic attack! Most medics are then more gentle but some are still dicks. But at least i can tell myself they're a dick!

I don't think I've ever written all this down before. It's horrendous.

I also write down what the problem is so that if I can't talk properly or I forget things due to the stress I have it on paper.

But what's more awful than going to hospital for the problem you have today? (This is what I ask myself). It's leaving the problem to get worse and having to go for longer, or repeat visits, in the future.

I often cry before I have to go, or get so frightened there I cry. I hate it - i normally never cry, this is pure fear or panic. I don't do it to get attention, I ALWAYS try to hide or look away or whatever.

And I try to focus on my breath. So I focus on the floor and my breath. I try to make sure it's slow and if I feel my heart racing or breath speeding up I try to bring it back to being slow. NOTHING matters more than that, because otherwise the panic can take over.

Becca I don't know what happened in your case but I do know from your posts you've got a massive amount challenging you in life. It can feel like it breaks you down, but you're still here. You're actually stronger than all of this, stronger than whatever piece(s) of shit gave you PTSD. You can absolutely do this but you need to think of ways that can help you block out the unnecessary bits of the visit and get through it. These things ease (not solve it) for me but perhaps other things will be better for you. All these things help me feel a bit more in control (and part of trauma is when you've had control of your body taken away from you) when I've had to go as an emergency, there was no opportunity of doing these things, I felt control had gone and it was a disaster!

Thanks
ahumanfemale · 03/07/2019 14:10

Oh and don't worry about the mindfulness courses - that is a highway to hell for many people with trauma/PTSD. Don't beat yourself up about that not working, you're definitely not alone in that. The research is coming out about that now but hasn't filtered down to everybody.

tropicalcocktail · 03/07/2019 14:50

Mindfulness is (in my opinion and experience) cost-cutting, low-effort shite.
ahumanfemale’s advice is excellent - I wear headphones all day every day to stave off flashbacks and intrusive thoughts and to feel like there is a safe “distance” between me and the environment I’m in. I also have iatrogenic PTSD so I completely, completely understand how terrifying it is but please get this seen to. Dealing with it before it burgeons into a more serious infection will mean a lot less dealing with hospitals and medics

Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 15:06

anuman the PTSD was caused by being raped by a consultant over twenty years ago and then the subsequent mockery I've endured from reporting him which has followed me around.

I actually worked in a hospital for a short time which did nothing at all for me when in appointments and then not long ago I was sexually assaulted again by a patient in hospital and the staff did nothing except tell me he was ill and to put up with it.

I had the diagnosis before these incidents so it's very very complicated.

It was a massive massive deal for me to attempt appointments with social worker and took years for me to feel I could go with them and then I was called into a meeting where I was told it was a waste of their time and I could go with my friends and family instead or random student on team. No one and I mean no one understands what it's like to have no one you can trust and to build that over years with someone to then find out they were manipulating you.

I've no trust in anyone now.

Unfortunately i cannot just go to the hospital I must have an appointment card - years ago I had a flashback and lashed out at a member of staff so I am banned except for treatment. I'm not excusing what I did just explaining.

I have other serious medical issues as well I need treatment for but cannot go. It's not that I haven't tried I just cannot cope with it. Even self harming doesn't help (that's what I've done before)l

My notes are a mess from previous admissions where staff have dismissed a serious condition I have (EDS) because otherwise I would have needed to stay in hospital and they wanted my bed so said I didn't have it. Now I can't access any treatment or help for it at all and can no longer travel and get diagnosis reinstated.

There's only really emergency treatment here now anyway, just enough to get you to the main hospitals elsewhere which I cannot manage to do. I'm supposed to have weekly appointments for my EDS issues but can no longer get there.

If it becomes emergency there's no one to get me emergency help anyway other than me. If you can get yourself there or phone ambulance then you aren't considered to be a&e worthy and told to go to GP or phone 111 instead, it's stupid because I've gone there in taxi with life threatening condition before and been made to wait until I collapsed because I got myself there (ambulance was refused as I was able to ring so told to get taxi instead).

My anxiety level is horrendous right now.
I can't even see GP without self harming.

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Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 15:13

Sorry for essay!

Re mindfulness I was told by mh team it's 100% effective, it's used for everything here. I was told it could only fail if the patient wanted it to.

The sad thing is it cost me my religious community to do it, badly damaged my faith as well, as it was in conflict with it so I lost the only safe thing I had in my life. Now nowhere feels safe and it's terrifying. Trying to explain it is impossible though.

I should have been stronger and said no to it and not risked losing it but I wasn't and did.

A big issue I have is part of the PTSD when it's really bad is I can outwardly appear calm and fine whereas inside I'm utterly terrified - I had joints dislocated by a consultant and didn't even blink - he was really upset at having hurt me so much and didn't even know until he saw the x-ray he sent me for he couldn't believe I didn't react at all. I had a therapist many years ago who said that can be a part of the diagnosis and an important part that's ignored, but no one else seems to understand that. The therapist is long gone now, and even if they were still here there's no way I could afford her on benefits! I did have rape crisis counselling but again that closed and was replaced with a service very orientated towards mindfulness.

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Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 15:17

Back to point of thread!

I am feeling much better today so think the antibiotics must be working on some level. Tomorrow is cut off day suppose to go tomorrow night if still a problem. It is no longer large and sticking out like it was, don't know if that's a good thing or not and found I was actually been given two different antibiotics (both for ten days). I thought I only had one.

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picklemepopcorn · 03/07/2019 15:24

Becca, I'm so sorry you've been let down in the past. Humanfemale gave great advice.

I'd suggest you phone the surgery and ask for a couple more days ABs to completely knock it out- given your other health issues, they should help, really!

EDS is such an unusual condition, and when you live rurally there just isn't the resources thoughts of us near cities expect.

LoafofSellotape · 03/07/2019 15:30

It sounds like it's on its way out. Can you put a big dollop of Savlon/TCP/ Sudocrem on it too?

Seriously look at some alternative to a bra though, doesn't sound like it's working for you. Bravissimo do supportive vests and I'm sure Marks and Sparks do a version. Best of luck.

FATEdestiny · 03/07/2019 15:41

Do you take your bra off to wash it?

joystir59 · 03/07/2019 15:51

Fingers crossed that the antibiotics work

Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 15:56

I've had a look at the antibiotics and one is ten days worth and the other is a week - the second lot are very strong - three times a day of metronidazole 400mg (had them before and was very sick).

The vests I had looked at with OT were extremely uncomfortable for me. I'll have a look if they've changed. Really the only bra I can manage without pain is a very specific m&s one (hoping they keep making them!!). Others I found to be very uncomfortable.

I've not looked at it again but it's definitely smaller though still there. I'm going to look at it maybe later and tomorrow and try and leave it alone for now. I definitely am feeling a lot better though. Monday I was passing out and really unwell - hence telling GP yesterday.

I can't take the bra off so no I can't wash it or myself properly.

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Becca19962014 · 03/07/2019 15:57

Not being able to wash was why they rang my family/ex to come and get me from hospital as I said I couldn't afford care.

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HMArsey · 03/07/2019 16:14

Glad to see you’re feeling a bit better. Do you have any antiseptic cream and a handkerchief in the house? Could you put the cream on the handkerchief and tuck it inside your bra, so the bra is holding the cream against your skin? Just thinking that might work better than trying to get a dressing to stick.

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