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Is it possible to 'kick' depression for good?

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MUMINAMILLION · 15/09/2004 08:59

Was going to change my name, because I dont tell anyone I suffer from depression, infact most people remark on the fact that I am always smiling! But, its time to be honest now. I have suffered on and off with depression for the last 11 years and as a result have been on and off prozac in that time. PND was horrendous too. Yest I went to the doc with a completely unrelated problem, and had total hysterics in the office!! He was very good, talked to me for ages (before putting me BACK on prozac!). He also gave me a book to read - 'Good Mood' by Julian Simon. I was wondering if anyone had read this book and did it help? Or has anyone used any other method and has managed to conquer depression once and for all? Need some hope - need to know that Im not going to be like this for the rest of my life, please.

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MUMINAMILLION · 15/09/2004 09:01

Actually, not 11 years - 21 years. Forgot how old I am - another sign of depression?

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moodyme · 15/09/2004 09:17

I think it is possible to come to terms with it. After some cognitive behavioural therapy I have recognised that I will probably always suffer with 'black moods'. I am not conventionally depressed as I can function totally normally, but have powerful mood swings - I can spend days feeling bleak, anxious and negative. I know now that these times will pass, and am aware of what tends to trigger them.

I have always avoided anti-depressants as I recognise that they are NOT a cure - this is part of my personality and maybe Prozac would relieve it temporarily but when I came off I would probably have the same mood swings.

I recognise I will always have periods of being sensitive, moody and probably quite down. But I do have lovely happy positive times in life so they keep me going

Your gp sounds great. Have you considered having counselling? So many people just assume depression is a physical illness that you have no control over - I hear that a lot on mumsnet. In fact there is almost always a reason for it, and although taking ad's can help through periods of 'unusual' depression - grief for example - I truly believe you are better off trying to find 'the key' or learning to cope with it yourself with the help of cognitive behavioural techniques. Good luck!

MUMINAMILLION · 15/09/2004 09:31

Thanks moodyme. This book seems to be about cognitive therapy, and as I seem to have much the same form of depression as you from what you describe, maybe it will help. The doc did suggest counselling, but I honestly cant think of anything which could have triggered this. e.g. I had no problems with childhood or at any other times, so there seems no reasons for me to feel like this. Thats why it is so frustrating. So dont really know what I could talk to a counsellor about. Really appreciate your comments. (still smiling!)

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moniker · 15/09/2004 09:54

MIM - I was thinking of posting something similar myself but have been putting it off, so thank you for starting this thread. I won't change my name either!

I too have had depression on and off for 16 years. I had my first ADs when I was at uni and have had them several times since I had my children. There have been losts of times when I have been depressed but not had ADs as I haven't wanted to admit it. I last came off Prozac a few months ago and in the last few weeks I can feel myself slipiing again despite taking St John's Wort. I really don't want to go back on Prozac even though it helps so much as I don't want to spend the rest of my life like this.

I too look fine to outsiders because I cover up my feelings extremely well - I can often hide how I feel from myself too IYKWIM. Yet inside I feel alone, boring, I never fit in anywhere, I am always on the outside looking in, I am always wearing the wrong clothes, am too serious etc etc.......and of course I am also paranoid!!. I have had counselling which has been good but the depression comes back even when there isn't an obvious cause (and there have been several times where there is an obvious cause).

I read on another thread that cognitive behavioural therapy looks at how to get out of a deep hole rather than how you got into it and I was wondering if it could help me. Sometimes I get so confused between the person I am and the person I pretend to be that I'm often not sure how I feel about anything or who I really am! I really would like to be truly happy but worry that I never will be as sooner or later the depression and low moods come back and I cry in my car on the way to work and on the way home but put on a front everywhere else and grit my teeth until it lifts or I get some more ADs.

What is the book like MIM? Perhaps we could all support each other? If you want to CAT me please do - It's easier for me to chat via email at work rather than going online (10 mins a day on mumsnet is my maximum!!)

spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 09:54

Hi Muminamillion, I too have suffered from periods of depression since I was about 11 (25 years ago - wow, that makes me feel old!). I haven't found a key to it either, and it seems to hit me every couple of years, and when it hits everything seems to fall apart for a while. In recent years I've taken Prozac several times, and that does help me to pull myself out of it but of course I recognise it is not any sort of cure. In fact I've just started on another course of Prozac.

For me depression seems to lurk in the background, and any major change or crisis triggers it. My feeling is that I have a naturally melancholic personality, and as such I'm likely to have these bouts, but I would dearly love to find a better way of dealing with them.

Sorry if this is a bit incoherent, I'm really low today and finding it hard to string words together. I'm off to check that book out on Amazon and may well order it myself. And I'll follow this thread with interest

moniker · 15/09/2004 09:58

Spacemonkey and moodyme - I know what you mean too - I think maybe it is a personality thing as I am quite senstive. I am also, I think, a very strong person and would like to find ways to overcome this melancholic side and fell more in touch with the real world - do you know what I mean? I might not be explaining very well!

spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 10:04

I do know what you mean moniker yes!

I have had a couple of bouts of counselling (years ago now though), which I did find helpful, but I've never tried CBT and I think that could be really helpful.

Bumblelion · 15/09/2004 10:05

Not sure if this helps or not, but this is my own experience of depression - although I know that no two individuals are the same.

I do not suffer from depression but my mum does.

She suffers from nervous breakdowns - the first one I can remember was when I was 11 - I am now 37. When I say a nervous breakdown, I meant that she just backs out of life as far I can see it. Had no interest in every day life, doesn't go food shopping (I do this for her), doesn't drive any of her 2 cars (one of which is brand new, has 7 miles on the clock and has not been driven for a year - she became ill this most recent time a week after picking up her new car), doesn't do any of the things that every one does on a day to day basis.

Looking back to when I was 11, I can't really remember how poorly she was, but I do remember her going into hospital (awful memory for me).

She became well after about a year and was well until my first born daughter came into the world - I was then 25. My first-born was 10 days old when I could see my mum was not her "normal" self. I had forgotten about my mum being "poorly" when I was 11 and didn't really know what was wrong with my mum - I could just see something was not right.

She was "poorly" (as I still call it) for 18 months. The only good thing was that my DD1 was still young enough that when my mum became better my DD1 was able to accept the loving and caring from someone who had had no interest in her for the first 18 months of her life.

After she became well after that 18 months she was absolutely fine until February 2000 when my dad died suddenly of a heart attack at the age of 56. I remember coming into work (I work at the same company as my dad) and being called home by my mum. My dad had not come into work that day - was feeling a bit under the weather (my mum's words), next thing I had a phone call saying my dad was unconscious, not breathing, etc. I left work in London and got home within 1 hour. I went straight to the hospital where he was being taken - I got there before he did as the paramedics tried to do the best for my dad at home to stabilise him but I believe he was already dead. I remember my dad (and mum and brother) arriving. They took my dad into resuscitation and within 5 minutes came into the relatives room and told us he had died.

I could see straight away that my mum was going downhill. She went downhill so rapidly it was scary. She was totally "out of it" at the funeral 2 weeks later - had to have a post mortem because he was not ill before the heart attack hit.

This time she was poorly for 4 months - the shortest yet.

She was well for just over a year until my youngest DD was born. When my DS was born 7.5 years ago, she was fine, but again when I had a daughter she went downhill. Again, my DD was about 2 weeks old. This was October 2001.

She was poorly until August 2002.

When she is well, she is very well - fit for her age - goes to gym 3 times a week, slim, good looking, looks after herself, wears nice clothes, smells nice - I feel proud of how lovely she is.

When she is poorly, it hurts me to say this, but she looks rough as hell - hard to get her to keep herself clean, wear clean clothes, etc.

The difference in her is amazing.

Each time she goes downhill, it happens over a period of 2 weeks or so. When she becomes well it happens over night - honestly, it is that sudden.

When she became well last time, she met a lovely man. I was pleased for her - she is now only 59 and I don't want her to be on her own forever. Nothing against my dad, but I know he wouldn't want her to be sad and lonely for the rest of her life.

My mum and B had a lovely time together - going on holidays, having meals out - generally just have a great time.

Me and my mum went on holiday last year for 2 weeks to Majorca - my husband had taken the children for 2 weeks on holiday to Zakynthos with his girlfriend - long story but a brief overview ... Me and J would have been married 13 years in September, got 3 children together (girl of 11, nearly 12 - boy 8 in February and girl - who has global developmental delay - 3 in October. Not divorced, just separated and don't live together.

B and my friend came out for our middle week in Majorca and we all had a wonderful time together.

When we came home I could see, once again, things were not right with my mum.

On 3rd October last year (funny how dates stick in your mind - I had to take 2 weeks off work to find childcare for my 3 children for the 3 days I work in the office) - she went downhill again and, once again, is still there.

I feel I am very understanding of depression but I can't take hardly any more of it.

In the last few years, I have lost my dad, had a new baby, had a mum having a breakdown, had my husband saying we were no longer going to be together.

I can no longer be the "strong" one for my mum. Whether I am there for her or not (she lives on her own in a 5 bedroom house which she just rattles around in) it doesn't make any difference to her mental state.

If I could wave a magic wand to make things better for her, I would but at the end of the day there is nothing I can do to make her come out of it.

She sees a psychiatrist and is on anti-depressants. I tell the doctor this is the 4th or 5th time my mum has been like this and she doesn't get better gradually by taking the ADs, it really does happen overnight but who knows when that night will be.

The sad thing for me is that

(1) It seems the older she is getting the more often it is happening which scares me a bit.

(2) I know how good a life she could be having.

(3) I honestly believe she should be on ADs, even when she is well - perhaps a low dose - to stop her getting that "low" again.

Sorry "Muminamillion" if I have waffled on a bit, but I suppose I am saying that if ever you find a way to conquer the depression that you suffer from (and suffer you do, I am sure), then I would love to hear how you overcame it so perhaps I could help my mum in the same way.

Sorry if I have waffled on, sometimes it is just nice to put down into words what I am feeling.

spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 10:10

Sorry to hear about your mum bumblelion. It's incredibly difficult to deal with a loved one who is depressed - frustrating because there is little you can do other than be there for them and help out in practical ways.

moniker · 15/09/2004 10:12

Oh Bumblelion - it must be so hard for you to see your mum going through that. I really do feel for you. Has your mum tried any form of treatment (drugs or counselling) to preventthe depression coming back?

I am going to look more intocognitive behavioural therapy as it sounds very interesting and I'll post what I find.

Take care XX

Bumblelion · 15/09/2004 11:02

Spacemonkey - it is very hard for me seeing my mum like this, especially knowing there is nothing I can do to help her.

Moniker - my mum is on lofeprimin (something like that) which is an anti-depressant, also some anxiety tablets. As well as depressed, she is very nervous, anxious, worried (which I know is all part of the depression).

She sees one of a team of psychiatrists, although irregularly. One of the team is very sympathetic and caring, the other is a complete waste of time - more of the attitude, "come on, pull your socks up".

spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 11:08

arrrgh - "pull your socks up" is a phrase I dread hearing, perhaps because that's what I tell myself to do all the time - your poor mum

MUMINAMILLION · 15/09/2004 11:10

Thanks soooo much for replying. Had actually decided to stop posting on mn because it has kept me up at nights for a week worrying about the things Ive said, how mners must think Im really stupid and irritating etc. This is how my depression gets me - I lose all confidence and think people just tolerate me without actually likeing anything I do or say. Im so glad I decided to face up to things and 'confess all'. You have no idea how much better it feels to speak to people who understand. This is the first time in 21 years that I have spoke about any of this.

Bumblelion - I was so sad to read about your mum and dad. It must be so hard for you. Ill definately let you know how I get on with the book, and I hope it will help your mother.

Spacemonkey, it would be great if you can get the book. It seems quite technical (aimed at medical personnel really) but already Ive found a few really interesting pointers. It would be great to discuss it with you, maybe give each other ideas etc.

Moniker, I cried when I read your post. You cant believe how it struck a chord, I feel just like you. I have forgotten who I am as a person after so many years of being who I think others want me to be. I dont think I have a personality any more, which I suppose is why I feel that people dont really like me, just pretend they do. I try to talk myself out of this, but it is really hard. I will definately CAT you. Thanks so much everyone.

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spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 11:17

Blimey MIM, I'm really glad you did post about this then, it would be a terrible shame if you stopped posting on mn. There are lots of mners who have/do suffer from depression - you are guaranteed lots of support and understanding here. I totally understand how hard it is to post about it though: it is difficult to find the words. I will see if I can get that book from the library - sounds like it takes quite a practical approach, which appeals to me. I've read umpteen books that theorize about depression and ime they have been no help at all.

iota · 15/09/2004 11:21

Bumblelion
my mother too suffers from depression in the way you describe - it started with postnatal and reccurred over the years. She too had to cope with my fathers illness and death at an early age.
The doctors think it is bio-chemical and that something imbalances in her brain and makes her feel ill.
Over the years I have moved away, married and had children, so cannot be there to support her in the same way as when I lived at home. I feel guilty, but I have other things in my life that need my atttention. I do have her to stay with me sometimes, but a household with 2 small children is probably not what she needs when she can barely cope with getting dressed in the morning.

Kayleigh · 15/09/2004 11:25

Bumblelion, I can relate to so much of what you say about your mum. My mum is diagnosed as manic depressive. Throughout my life she has had deep depressions and then months of being virtually high. She takes lithium for a hormone imbalance and AD's. All this had been under a consultant she had been seeing since suffering with depression during two pregnancies and a number of miscarriages. About a year ago she changed consultants and he changed all her medication. She has been a different person in the last year. I am just hoping that this continues. It has made an incredible difference to her life and as a knock on effect has improved my life and my childrens.

Since my second pregnancy I have suffered with depression too. Am currently on prozac but looking for a way of coming off. I am very prone to depression during the winter months so my consultant wants me to stay on them till spring.
I have a book he recommended (can't remember name of it - will check when I get home) but can never seem to get round to reading it.
In a way when I am on the tablets, because I feel fine, I can't see that there is a problem.
But like Muminamillion don't want to spend my whole life in a cycle of depresssions.

Heathcliffscathy · 15/09/2004 11:26

please don't jump down my throat, i mean this seriously:

there is an argument that to be a sensitive independent woman living in western society is a very good reason to be depressed.

i know that the fashion is to blame hormones/genes/childhood stuff (i'm into the childhood bit sometimes) but sometimes i just think that if you're sane, living in this insane world where to be a woman is sooooo hard (come on anyone going to argue that one? i'll fight you!) means that if you have the least bit of sensitivity or brain or love in your heart you will feel depressed and have black moods.

we live in society that still does not value womanhood or motherhood in anyway in my opinion. women are often each other's worst enemies. we are not supported in raising our children, nurturing our creativity, being ourselves: how can we not be depressed?

sorry if this is inappropriate/unhelpful, but i wanted to say it hear as it struck me so hard reading this thread...i know i'm not offering any solutions, but sometimes recognising that the problem isn't just within, but very definitely outside in the world too can help a bit???

Kayleigh · 15/09/2004 11:27

iota, has your mum ever been prescribed lithium ? Your "bio-chemical and that something imbalances in her brain " statement sounds the same as my mums. And this is what she lacks.

iota · 15/09/2004 11:30

Kayleigh -yes she's been on lithium for years - it's supposed to even out the highs and lows. However about a year ago she stopped taking it and guess what - in recent months she's been depressed again.
She's back on the tablets and is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. BTW yes manic depression or bipolar disoreder has been mentioned as labels for he illness

spacemonkey · 15/09/2004 11:31

I think you are right sophable. I have a feeling that I would be less prone to depression if I could somehow manage to opt out of at least some of the madness that is living in this society.

Heathcliffscathy · 15/09/2004 11:34

phew sm, was worried about my post.

Kayleigh · 15/09/2004 11:36

iota, why do they do that???!!! My mum used to stop taking the lithium if she felt ok and would then nose-dive again into depression. She has been told she needs to take it all the time, so why doesn't she. She has only recently started to be a bit more open about suffering from depression, so if your mum is anything like mine she has spent most of her life trying to hide the fact that she has a mental problem as it was (and still is in some ways-but thank god not on mumsnet) such a taboo.

Heathcliffscathy · 15/09/2004 11:37

lithium has big side effects

iota · 15/09/2004 11:44

unfortunately there seems to be a depressive streak in my mum's family - a no. of relatives (men as well as women) have had various types of depression - one committed suicide.

I'm in my mid 40s and have had 2 kids and haven't been depressed yet, so I'm hoping my kids will be OK.

Kayleigh · 15/09/2004 11:46

sophable, do you know what they are ?