Separating 3month old Vaccine

[BrookeCowan]

Has anyone had their child's vaccines separated recently? They've changed the vaccines now so babies are having 5-in-1 which is too much for their little bodies. After being persuaded, my son had his first vaccine and was hospitalised shortly after. I want the rest of his vaccines to be given separately, however the NHS won't give me any advice on how and where to get them done.

It's not too much for their 'little' bodies. It's an entirely appropriate level for the infants.

If you want to use foreign-manufacturered unlicensed shots (which I'm not sure are even available legally in UK) will have have to source a supplier (and may have to go abroad for them).

That said, you need to go and see a paediatrician to establish whether there's a link between your DS receiving the jab and his hospitalisation - correlation does not mean causality, but you need someone to look at the specific factors for your DC. Then either you can proceed with normal schedule, or omit some jabs on doctors advice (relying on here immunity for those your DC cannot receive in mendical grounds).

Going for unlicensed jabs is the riskiest course, though of course if you can find ones in countries whose medicine safety arrangements you have happy with, then there's no particular downside other than the additional time/research/travel it would require.

These new vaccines which have been brought in have been confirmed by many doctors that hardly any research have been done on them and that the new generation are the ones their testing it on...how is that safe?
It is too much for their bodies and there has been an increase in babies being hospitalised after their new vaccines.
There is a high risk of swelling to the brain from these vaccines which has become a major concern.
A paediatrician has also said these new vaccines are too much for their digestive system.

@scaevola

There’s no evidence that a five in one is bad or dangerous. They deal with massive immune assaults daily. It’s ok.

The people who pushed this idea (Wakefield et al) had financial interests in separate vaccines.

If you’ve had a child hospitalised after a vaccine then IF it was related you’d be monitored - was it linked or coincidental?

miss lawrence

No. Every point you make is incorrect.

too much for their little bodies. - that is sentiment not science.

All of us are bombarded with millions of bugs every day; the immunisation simply contains a few more, selected to save children from the worst illnesses.

...also before September 2017, everyone had their injections given separately. It's not exactly a new or risky thing to have done as it's been done for many many years. If you go online and try to find out information about these new vaccines you'll have a very difficult time. There is no set in stone research on them and I don't think it's right using this new generation or any generation as Guinea pigs.

There’s shitloads of research you can’t just whip up a vaccine in a shed and give it to kids.,🤦🏻‍♀️

Multivalent ones are safe and well tolerated

@KochabRising ...where is the evidence to say 5 vaccines all together are safe?
A babies immune system is the purest thing when born, and putting all these difference things in at once is a huge battle for such a little body.

@MissLawrence also before September 2017, everyone had their injections given separately.

That is utter rubbish.

DCs were both born long before 2017 and had vaccinations that covered multiple diseases at 8, 12 and 16 weeks.

I'm not saying no to vaccinations. I'm saying no to having them given in just large chunks. Which has never been done up until September 2017. Research isn't solid unless you have proof. Now we aren't lab rats or guinea pigs...so the only way they can get this solid proof is to test it out. Which I believe isn't right. I've had these lengthy discussions with many professionals and each one has confirmed my concerns. I understand it's a very touchy subject for some but I won't put my son at risk.

Your all following the NHS. Which is fine, i have done my research for months, not just by what I've been told and my conclusion is their not as safe as the NHS will make out. And you will all find this out if you did passionate research.

Has the OP named changed from BrookeCowan to MissLawrence?

the 5-in-1 vaccine for children born on or before 31st July 2017, and the 6-in-1 vaccine for children born on or after 1st August 2017

You are wrong MissLawrence.

The safety data is collected both before the product is released and during a process of ongoing surveillance. There’s a system of yellow card reporting whereby all adverse events even possibly vaguely hypotheticalslly linked to any drug or vaccine are reported and collected by an impartial third party.

These safety reports are examined constantly by specialists in the field and specific side effects can trigger reviews, as can patterns of milder effects.

This is what happened with the drug vioxx that was taken off the market. As well as various black box warnings bring out on stuff like teething gel. Surveillance doesn’t stop once a product is licenced.

We meet literally thousands of pathogens a day. Your immune system is right now fighting off fungi, bacteria and viruses that would kill you if the immune system didn’t deal with it. That’s why bubble kids are in bubbles and why people with AIDS die. The environment is seething with pathogens.

A five in one vaccine isn’t that much of an insult - your child may have been exposed to more the first time you took them to Tesco’s.

Is this your opinion as an epidemiologist or something you ‘researched’ on the web? Sorry to sound snippy but I’m fed up with having this argument. if you space vaccines you leave your child open for longer to potentislly fatal diseases for absolutely no reason

@PikachuHeadgear yes

I prefer rationale evidence based research. Not passionate research.

@KochabRising the research is being done now. Like thalidimide was brought in for pregnant women who had morning sickness with NO research and many babies were brought into the world with no arms and no legs...research that. The drug company are only interested in making money.

@LittleBearPad you show me where this research is? You show me the solid evidence. Medical professions on the NHS and outside of the NHS have all told me the research hasn't been done, it's being done now. So where is this evidence?

Which is fine, i have done my research for months,

Where’s it published?

Oh you mean you read it on the web? Mercola? Some random web forum? You don’t actuslly mean research. Research is done by impartial professionals, repeated, collated and analysed by professionals and then debated before being formulated as health policy.

Yes your website reading - that’s absolutely as valid as the hundreds of thousands of research hours done in labs and the field as well as post release surveillance. It’s totally the same, you should write the public health guidelines 🤦🏻‍♀️

@KochabRising of course not. I would never base my facts on web research. I have gone out of my way while being pregnant and also after my son was born to speak to many different professionals and each one has confirmed to me that my concerns are correct.

Thalidomide was a hideous event that changed the face of drug testing. Before that it was the Wild West. Do you understand what the regulatory environment is now? I do, I worked in drug safety for years. If you’d like to bore yourself shitless go read the ICH GCP guidelines.

And Andrew Wakefield- do you know he did? He breached the ethical guidelines brought in after that and the back human experiment FOR MONETARY GAIN.

He did unnecessary, invasive and painful experiments. On children. That had no clinical value. To promote his financial interest in single vaccines. There’s a direct line from horrors like mengele to him. So he’s a nice man.

Drug companies don’t do surveillance- you know that right? It’s CROs or similar.

Vaccines save lives.

Name those professionals

@KochabRising I have family in America which have done the same. I didn't intend to cause any arguments or upset by writing this post which I will apologise for. Each one of us are bound to have our opinions, some more stronger than others. But this isn't something I've done lightly. It's been months of finding people to speak to who know the ins and outs of the risks and the research on these drugs and what's in them.

My daughter gets hospitalised from normal illnesses like coughs that my newborn can handle, has very poor immune system from being 3 months prem and has had god knows how many illnesses, mild and serious.

She had her vaccines on schedule from her birth date, at 4 weeks before due date, on due date and 4 weeks after, and was 4-7lb over that time. She was absolutely fine.

Your logic of it being 'too much for their little bodies' is ridiculous. What would be 'too much for their bodies' is getting the real illness because of parents messing around giving late vaccines or picking and choosing which ones to give because they think they know more than specialists from reading a few websites.