Separating 3month old Vaccine

[BrookeCowan]

Has anyone had their child's vaccines separated recently? They've changed the vaccines now so babies are having 5-in-1 which is too much for their little bodies. After being persuaded, my son had his first vaccine and was hospitalised shortly after. I want the rest of his vaccines to be given separately, however the NHS won't give me any advice on how and where to get them done.

speak to many different professionals and each one has confirmed to me that my concerns are correct.

You’re speaking to a career scientist who worked in independent drug safety surveillance for years. She’s telling you you’re wrong.

MissLawrence the only difference between 2017 onwards and before was 6-in-1 versus 5-in-1. You’ve repeatedly said that it’s only since September 2017 that multiple jabs were given at once. Do you at least agree you’re wrong about that.

Until September 2017 it was a 5 in 1, now it’s a 6 in 1.

There is no evidence that giving them separately benefits the child at all. In the UK there are very few single vaccines and those that are may be unlicensed and unregulated.

If you wanted to give a baby their immunisations separately they would need 24 separate vaccines before they were 1. As it is they get 9.

I understand your concerns if your baby was hospitalised after their imms but you need to talk to a doctor to establish any correlation - it may have been coincidental. The doctors would be the first to suggest a change to a vaccine programme if there were any established correlation as they do not want to harm babies.

My ds is 22 and had 5 in 1 back in 97

MissLawrence, did you report the adverse reaction? This should be on your child's records.

You need to speak to an Immunologist and try to understand what it was that caused the reaction. It is possible that it is not the attenuated virus but the adjuvant or the preservative that caused the reaction so spreading them out might not reduce the risks.

I would tread slowly and find a sympathetic GP that will help you through it. I have a highly allergic child who is allergic to MSG, yeast and aluminium (all found in vaccines... risk of adjuvant plus his allergens is quite high.) I have also had his DNA profile analysed and he has mutations linked with a number of issues including higher risk of vaccine damage. I also have a very understanding Immunologist (not UK).

When I was a baby (20 years ago) the vaccines were said to give babies autism (load of crap) but my mum asked if I could have the vaccines but all separately and they were fine with that. PITA though, they wouldn’t give the immunisations if it was too much.

Sorry dd was 97 , ds was 95 and had 5 in 1.

@KochabRising there will be no one in the NHS that can advise you not to get your child vaccinated. The NHS will only give you one side of an argument, which is why the scientist of drug safety is bound to have a strong opinion against what I'm saying.

MissLawrence / Brooke (you’re the same person, right?) you are talking rubbish, with all respect.

I’ve been a practice nurse for 18 years and a parent for more than 19. Babies have always received multiple vaccines, in combination. They received very few single vaccines. Single tetanus vaccine for example hasn’t been given for donkeys years - I think the last one I gave was in the early 90s, to an adult.

I know it’s anecdotal but as a nurse I have seen an unvaccinated 15 year old in a persistent vegetative state due to measles encephalitis. I’ve seen babies brought into A&E with pertussis (whooping cough) and meningitis. I’ve met older adults with polio deformed limbs, and deafness, and spoken to women who had parents and grandparents in iron lungs.

Vaccination is one of the most remarkable public health initiatives of the 20th century. Why do you think even after WW2 when we were trying to rebuild Britain we spent a ton of money on public vaccination programmes?

I would imagine you have sought out “doctors” that have validated your anti vaccine bias - they do exist.

One women had her son given 8 vaccines at once at 11weeks old, the next morning her babies was gone...is this coincidental? There are so many mums out there that one minute have a healthy happy baby and the next they've had them vaccinated and there's a huge change. You can't tell me this is good.

@Sidge I'm not anti vaccine, I just don't agree with them being given all together. This is my first time on here and I am so shocked at how much I'm being battled down. I have my opinion, you all have yours. I've asked for advice, not this. I wouldn't have such a strong opinion against you all if I hadn't done my research.

5 in 1 or even 6 in 1 are not too much for babies in general.
these vaccines are studied extensively and are being monitored constantly. they are generally very safe and effective.

however, if your dc reacted badly to the first lot, make an appointment with the gp to discuss the further planned vaccinations. vaccines are mostly made in hens' eggs, so if the dc is allergic the normal vaccines are not suitable or vaccines made from cell cultures could be given under hospital supervision.

report the reaction to the vaccine to the yellow card scheme

One women had her son given 8 vaccines at once at 11weeks old

Eh?

What has this got to do with anything? Some story off the internet of a woman not following the NHS schedule and then her son was ‘gone’.

It’s not relevant. Is this the passionate research you’re doing.

MissLawrence you're spouting very ill informed and inaccurate 'facts' but obviously you can make your own choice with your child's vaccinations. I find it amazing that you've managed to carry out all this thorough research over many months to rival the knowledge of doctors and scientists yet can't work out how to find a private doctor to give individual vaccines. Maybe put your energy into that rather than this goady thread.

Mum to mum, you can understand we all have concerns about our children. Vaccines are one of mine. I have informed myself and believe strongly about the information I've received. I do not trust the NHS, which shouldn't have to be an issue for anyone else other than me. If no positive comments are going to be made then I don't see the point in them? If I saw a mum being battled down like this the last thing I would do is join.
Thank you for all your time.

Was it in the UK? I can’t imagine the NHS or a private doctor giving 8 vaccines - and for what diseases?

I doubt anyone even makes single vaccines for diphtheria or tetanus.

It's not too much for their little bodies.

But the diseases they protect against are!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bC-yc-9U7eM

I can’t imagine the NHS or a private doctor giving 8 vaccines

I imagine 6 in 1 + meningitis + pneumococcal (quite normal to be given together at one point)

which is why the scientist of drug safety is bound to have a strong opinion against what I'm saying.

I do not and have never worked for the NHS. I’m not bound by any of their directives, or restrictions and I’m free to say whatever I like about them
I do not and never have worked for a large or small pharma co. I have no financial interest in any one either.

I’ve worked in independent academia and for independent companies and bodies.

My opinions are based on facts, and more data than you can shake a stick at. Terabytes of it.

I’ve found signals in that data that has directly led to drugs being stopped mid trial, withdrawn from sale, or had warnings added to packaging. Do you not understand that drug companies themselves don’t conduct research past a point of development? That independent bodies conduct safety research?

If your child had an adverse reaction the usual procedure is to investigate and see if this was linked or coincidental. If it’s linked then you would be offered a vaccination schedule closely supervised by your GP or immunology dept depending on the reaction or perhaps in extreme cases advised not to vaccinate, or alternative production methods sought. This does happen - children with complex allergies or immune issues sometimes can’t be vaccinated which is why everyone else who can be has to be.

Pushing an antivax agenda kills people. It’s as simple as that. There’s measles raging right now in Ukraine, Romania and Greece because of people refusing vaccinations.
Measles is no benign disease - even if the child gets it and recovers fine it wipes their immune memory to a degree so they are once again vulnerable to all other diseases they’ve faced before. In fact if you look at the data, deaths from all infectious diseases in children closely track after measles outbreaks

I have a theory that this stuff is a response to the lack of danger in our lives. We seem to need some sort of enemy or bogeyman to rail against, and we don’t have much in western societies so we use stuff like this. Four hundred years ago people like you would have been blaming the local wise woman and having her burned as a witch. Same mentality.

People in war torn and third world countries walk for days to get vaccines because they see the wild diseases kill their kids. Get a grip and be thankful for modern medicine. If your child has a reaction previously you need to speak to your GP and draw up a treatment plan, not start endangering other people’s children

@brownelephant "can't imagine" have you done your research?
All I'm seeing is monkey see monkey do.
There's not many people that will stand up against what the majority believe. And this is what happens to the people that stand up for what they believe in even if they're standing alone. I for one think it's disgusting.

All I'm seeing is monkey see monkey do.

I’m not a pilot. When I get in the plane I do what I’m told by the people who know what the fuck they are doing (pilot, air crew.) because I recognise that they are trained, qualified and do indeed know what they are doing. And I don’t.

When it comes to public health England, and public health policy, unless you’re a scientist, medic or epidemiologist then you need to recognise that no, your opinion is not equal to that of the health professionals who do know what they are doing.

What makes you think that you (do you have any scientific or medical training?) understand better than the thousands of scientists who work in the field?

@KochabRising what about the million of scientists who are against the vaccines...have you thought about that? You don't get a pilot for and against flying do you? So how can you compare?

Do you not think that if you’re a lone voice versus millions of well respected, well trained, very clever scientists that devote their careers to investigating and developing vaccines the problem might be you?

You’re not being “battled down”. You’re getting challenged (and nobody here has been rude or offensive) because your views are potentially dangerous and very misguided.

I get it, I really do. Your baby is the most precious thing in your life and we want to protect them from harm - it’s a fundamental part of being a parent. It causes immense cognitive dissonance to inject them with something “dangerous”. But you have to understand that it can be much more dangerous to NOT vaccinate them, and potentially catastrophic.

I have vaccinated thousands and thousands of babies and children during my career. I have NEVER seen one suffer anything more than simple side effects - fever, sore legs, mild rash. I have never seen a confirmed case of vaccine damage and never dealt with an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine in 25 years of nursing. Never.