If you decided to delay or to forgo MMR, how did health professionals react?

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Just wondering about this (and haven’t yet decided) - do they respond in a way that respects your view or do they try to persuade you to have the vaccinations given to your child?

I don’t trust anybody to be honest Miss because I don’t think anybody really knows. i do not for a moment doubt your profession, your integrity or your information, but it still isn’t a complete picture.

Again, surely if causation between your relative’s condition and a vaccination has been proven then your HCPs will be aware of this and can work with you for a solution.

I don’t live in the UK but we are obliged to provide a “vaccination passport” for our children to their Montessori/primary school. If a child is unvaccinated than such a passport is simply not provided.

eagle yes. IF it is as black and white as that, which it isn’t. Because there is information I cannot access fully du to bereavements, not knowing who to ask and so on.

I’m probably feeling a bit defensive and emotional but you repeatedly saying the same thing over and over to me really isn’t helpful, I’m sorry if that sounds rude and I don’t mean it to, but it’s not.

I’ll leave this thread, I tend not to comment on this topic at all.

Best of luck with your new baby.

Thank you.

Dsis and I live in opposite parts of the world and we both need vaccination certificates and medical Certs before our DC are allowed to attend either state or private school, this is because it is understood that you aren't just making a choice about your DC. Initially I was taken aback but threads like this make me see the sense of doing this.

Experience has shown me that mincing around the facts to avoid harming the sensibilities of the selfish/stupid achieves nothing. There is a far higher risk that a child will be harmed or killed by a childhood disease than by an adverse reaction to a vaccination against said disease(s).

This is not simply an individual parenting decision - it is a serious public health issue.

I live in the U.K. so that isn’t a consideration. However I will say my wariness is such that should this be introduced here in the future or if I lived in a country where vaccinations were mandatory I would be exploring either other educational options or other permanent living arrangements.

Delta it’s your opinion, it’s the way you share that which wasn’t mincing around words, which is getting straight to the point, it was quite breathtaking in its provocativeness and it’s cruelty.

I am hesitating re vaccinations due to a very serious and very frightening reaction, very close to home. Talking, and coming up with a suitable compromise which I have done tonight though not on the thread but via private message has helped. It would help if I felt I could do this with healthcare professionals but sadly I don’t. I feel the reactions I would get would be closer to most of these messages than practical and open ones.

Delta I feel you were just attempting to be as offensive as possible, along with some others. If health issues were the concern then you would know insulting people generally is not a good way to bring them round and persuade them about your point of view.

We have only just left the UK so was taken aback by this, apparently home ed is the only option, There are medical op outs that form part of the med cert if they are needed for health options. It did highlight to me the fact that one really isn't just making an individual desicion.

I wonder if your anxiety could be reduced in other ways that would allow your DC to receive the vaccines?

No. I’m not hesitating over vaccinations because of anxiety. I’m hesitating because of serious adverse reactions.

Sorry, but either your fear of adverse reactions is medically justified, in which case it would be supported by HCPs or it's not. In which case it is about health anxiety and counselling may help.

Adverse reactions do happen but they are rare. They can be more common, but still rare, in some families. Adverse reactions to the diseases are more common. Therefore it's normally much safer to vaccinate.

I really do understand that you are upset by this. But actually talking about the actual issue with a professional should help. Emotions and facts don't mix well and facts are what people should use to make medical decisions.

but it still isn’t a complete picture

The picture is only incomplete in the sense that there is no way to predict if any particular child will have an adverse reaction or not. Adverse reactions do happen, but the serious ones are astonishingly rare.

Vaccine Safety Misconceptions

One in ten children who contract measles will get a collateral ear infection, as I did, which resulted in my permanent hearing loss. All medical interventions carry risk. We do them because the risk of not doing them is greater.

Good luck whatever you decide, and I urge you to be open to what your pediatrician has to say. They will have seen many, many mums struggle with exactly the judgement you are trying to make.

Just wondering... I'm going to tell the builders building my house that I don't want load-bearing beams to hold up the roof - I think it'll stay up without support. Will they respond in a way that respects my views?

Talk to your doctor. There are options to be vaccinated using vaccines not cultured in hen's eggs. DD1 has her flu vaccine specially ordered for her because of this. DD2 caught measles - a very mild dose - just before she was due her MMR. She was incredibly ill. She was also very, very lucky and was not left with any deficit. I had a cousin who died of the measles, back in the 60s.

Please discuss this with your GP. I do understand why you are thinking this, but there are other options. Please do explore them before you decide to put this baby at risk.

Are you talking about Dravets disease or similar.
Research found that children who they thought were vaccine damaged actually had Dravets disease and would have gone on to have severe fits and subsequent brain damage etc whether they were vaccinated or not. Anything that causes a temperature will cause the fits .
My family has a related syndrome which is a mild form of GEFS+ which meant children in our family have abnormal febrile seizures that go on to puberty and a lot more than normal is ds had over 20, but without any brain damage. This went back generations to at least my DGM born in 1912 so no vaccines then, my Dm born 1937 and my dsis born 64, missed me then affected my DS, who is fully vaccinated.

I decided to delay the MMR for my daughter. I sought out a single measles jab for her when she was about 15 months. She is now 4.3 and has now had both doses in the last couple of months.

The nurse who gave her the other vaccs at the time was quite arsey with me and I've since had a few occasions where doctors, having found out that she hadn't had it, got quite excited about putting me straight about the whole thing. I don't like confrontation, either, but it was nothing that I couldn't handle (although I wasn't quite as good at articulating my reasons on occasion!).

For the record, I am not remotely anti vaccinations - I love the bloody things (as I type I'm comfort nursing my slightly feverish DS who's just had his 4 month jabs today). I also have an immuno-compromised nephew so I understand the concept of herd immunity. I am also not an idiot or stupid.

No IamClaire it wasn’t. Think it was an x post. If you have proper medical reasons then you need to take advice from health care professional which you have. My own DS had his mmr slightly delayed as he’d had a blood transfusion at the time it was due. We were advised to wait because of this. He was vaccinated as soon as possible though. Children who can be vaccinated should be to protect those who can’t.

Anyone who doesn’t have medical reasons should vaccinate or not be allowed to send their child to Nursery/school as other countries do.

It isn't my opinion, it is a scientific fact. If you refuse to acknowledge scientific facts and in so doing, put the health and wellbeing of other people in danger, then you need to suck up their reaction. Not whine about them being 'cruel' and 'offensive'.

You should be aware that both childminders and nurseries may ask what immunisations have been done.

Neither of mine checked up on this but you may struggle to access childcare if you don't wish to lie.

Andrew Wakefield is now preaching his message in the USA. It's disgraceful.

How about numerous exhausting, terrifying and violent fits on a daily basis
Op see my post but also look up SCN1A mutation , gefs+ and dravets syndrome.

It is not Dravet syndrome. Did you see the other symptoms I listed (not trying to be inflammatory, just asking)

I take it that as well as declining flu and whooping cough for yourself (irrationally as you have had vaccines without issue in the past) you will be declining all of your new baby's jabs that come before MMR. Meningitis B, meningitis C, HiB, rotavirus, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, hepatitis, whooping cough, pneumococcal...

I know children who have died of or were damaged by Men B before it was on the vaccine program.

Your concerns are understandable and depending on how close (genetically) your vaccine damaged relative is and what actually damaged them can be discussed with Your nurse

Sorry OP i cant see what other symptoms you listed

These threads never go well - it is just too emotive a subject (on a par only with infant feeding threads ).

Nobody can make the decision for you.

The balance of risk is heavily skewed in favour of vaccination, generally.

Disastrous vaccination injuries do happen, but are rare.
Preventable infectious diseases still kill far more people than vaccinations do.

You can have a high risk of something happening - and it doesn't.
You can have a low risk of something happening - and it does.

Life can be a right old fucker.

IMO, what makes a good decision is one based on fact and not on emotion - and that is the ultimate challenge for so many parenting decisions.