MMR worries

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DS is 15 months old now and we are thinking of doing the single jabs rather than the MMR vaccine.

I've tried to gather as much information as possible, but I'm not a medical person so be patient with me please.

I'm wondering about "traces of measles founds in the guts of children with autisme" at a higher percentage than in "normal" children.
Would this mean that the measles jab is also an increased risk to (yes I know a very small percentage of) children?

Also, I read a thread on here a while back where someone said they were gonna leave the vaccines for a few years anyway. When I was young (in Sweden) we got the MMR jab at 8-9 years old. Was there more cases of Mumps, Measles & Rubella back then?

Hope someone can help me.

Thanx

Amyjade I'm sorry to hear about your dd, such a sad sad thing to happen. I do understand the effects of life threatening diseases as my dd2 was born with a group B strep infection which turnned into meningitis/septiacemia she was very lucky to survive. I have not gone into this light hartedly and would not put my family's life at risk, if I felt the immunisations were safe and 100% effective with no ill effects I would by all means have them but there are too many bad points with them and I am not prepared to risk it.

As I said before this is always a very heated debate and always will be.
We all want the best for our dc's and inflict our fear upon others. we who are against merely dont want you to have the same experiences as us, those who have no adverse reactions in their families cannot understand this, until it happens to someone close to you you wont understand, lets hope you never have to.

according to this thread from JABS, (by someone whose dd died following her MMR) the vaccine compensation scheme will not pay out if a child who dies from a vaccination is under the age of 2. Does anyone know if that's correct? The letter is a bit ambiguous. I know they used to pay out for under 2's, so if not when did they change the rules? What about those left needing expensive care and therapy? Can they claim under the age of 2?

oh hang on I know they used to pay out for children left disabled after receiving a jab under the age of 2, not sure about what would have happened if they died. Perhaps they never have?

The used to have a decent compensation scheme in the States (never have here) that was funded by the drugs companies (they had to pay a certain amount into the scheme per jab given- the more dangerous the jab the higher the payment) but that's been fiddled with recently

I find this thread very interesting, especially having read an article in the most recent Archives of Paediatrics which was a qualitative study looking at how parents of children with autism perceived the MMR controversy. It included both parents who felt that their child's autism was triggered by MMR and those it felt that MMR was unrelated in their child. A major point of the article was that no matter what the parents felt caused their child's autism all felt that the MMR copntroversy had negatively affected them in some way .

Many parents seemed to feel that they did not want to vaccinate subsequent children because they felt that to vaccinate was to make an active choice and that if the child later developed autism they would worry that their active decision had caused it. They seemed to feel that to not vaccinate was a more passive choice and that they were in some way leaving it to fate to decide if their child developed an illness. There was an acknowledgement that this thinking was not necessarily logical but that it was in some way understandable.

Personally, my dd will be receiving all her immunisations. I am worried far more about the risks of disease than I am about the theoretical possibility of her developing autism as a result of vaccination. This is not to diminish the devastating consequences that autism can have on a child and family but reflects my personal views on the subject.

Interestingly the vaccine that I am most enthusiastic about, and actually the only one that I try to promote to parents who are anti-vaccine, is pneumococcal. I have seen several children who have either died or been left neurologically devastated by pneumococcal meningtis and I literally demanded that my gp gave it to my daughter before it became a routine jab.

most mums considering the vaccinations are probably too young to have seen a rubella damaged child (deafness and blindness) or measles related meningitis or complications of mumps, while these diseases are trivial in most there is always a risk of complications

Egg allergy is NOT considered a contraindication to MMR.

If those that can have it do so then the incidence of immunity will be high enough to stop spread of infection as a virus can only reproduce in a susceptible individual, so the few kids that are anaphylactic are at a much reduced risk of geeting the disease as there is no-one to get it from

Hi KerryMum, my dd1 is also anaphylactic to egg, I was also told about the risks of MMR and Egg allergy. Its very bazaar how individuals who are totally "for" vaccines will not hear a word said against them, its like some sort of cult and we are damned for being different.

I don't understand why people dont research for themselves what is actually in the immunisations, where they come from, the information on both sides, whilst a majority do there's alot who dont, many people I have spoken to didn't know they have a choice to vaccinate or not, a friend of mine was told it was compulsory(sp?) her baby was taken from her arms and given the shot! Unbeleavable!

The thing is people think if they have the shot their dc's are immune which is nonsense they can still get the disease, its not guaranteed at all.

maybe not a complete guarantee of not getting disease but vastly reduced risk and usually less severe, it is a statistical thing, but if the vast majority vaccinate then those that cannot be vaccinated for allery/immunity reasons will also be protected.

Polio has been eradicated where vaccination has been used, as has smallpox.

You can opt out in America cant you, I was reading up about it as wanted to live out there a little while ago, Something about fearing for the health, cant quite remember but I know there was a way out of it I think it was family history of allergies and the fact they cannot guarantee no damage to health would occur from vaccine... thinking about it thats exactly what we are debaing on here!

hep B can be transmitted from mother to baby during birth so baby given immunoglobulin to neutralize virus plus hep B vaccine. Used in this country for high risk cases or known hep B in mother

Yes but it was stated that the only cases of polio contracted in the last 20 years or so was from the vaccine thats why they changed it from the live vaccine.

Yes KerryMum I believe that was because of the conditions of the growth of the vaccine! Shocking isnt' it especially now we have bird flu and most vaccines are also grown or based with an egg!

the cases from live vaccine occurred in adults caring for newly vaccinated infants, the killed vaccine had been used in special care units for years and also in kids who had hiv and some other immunodeficiencies

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I agree Socci we shouldn't be treated like idiots only given the bits of information they want you to know so as to not "alarm you". Its all a big cover up, we are never told anyting that happens in this country, my brother knows british affairs better than us and he lives in America!

I wasn't given the DPT jab as a baby as I had a family history of asthma/excema

I got mumps, measles and whooping cough when I was 11. (I was misdiagnosed with whooping cough as none of the drs at the practise had ever seen it) The whooping cough was evil and I was old enough to remember coughing fits that lasted until I thought I would pass out (did once or twice) and the constant coughing until you were sick. Mumps uncomfortable and felt unwell for a couple of weeks but the measles was unbearable. I can vividly remember the pain in eyes, like being poked in them and looking at the sun at the same time, even when wearing sunglasses and the curtains pulled. I had no complications but is was awful

I have had all my children vaccinated. My youngest almost died at birth and is now disabled. The GP didn't want her to have the DPT due to her fitting. I insisted. She had DT at the usual ages, then the P (pertussis) in hospital given by a consultant. I felt it was a risk worth taking and I never want her to go through what I did

If I had another, they too would get all their jabs. Wakefields study was on 12 children and he was working on an alternative.

I truly hope none of your non vaccinated children get any of these diseases and I hope even more that they don't pass them on to the very vunerable members of our society, who really mustn't be vaccinated