MMR worries

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DS is 15 months old now and we are thinking of doing the single jabs rather than the MMR vaccine.

I've tried to gather as much information as possible, but I'm not a medical person so be patient with me please.

I'm wondering about "traces of measles founds in the guts of children with autisme" at a higher percentage than in "normal" children.
Would this mean that the measles jab is also an increased risk to (yes I know a very small percentage of) children?

Also, I read a thread on here a while back where someone said they were gonna leave the vaccines for a few years anyway. When I was young (in Sweden) we got the MMR jab at 8-9 years old. Was there more cases of Mumps, Measles & Rubella back then?

Hope someone can help me.

Thanx

Its all tied up with profet from the vaccine companies, nobody will accept responsibility, they know it happens, they know its possible but they brush so much under the carpet and paint a pretty picture that nobody sees past it.

If only people knew what the vaccines grew on and where they came from, nobody would bother with organic veg again.

But each to their own, its up to the individual in their beliefs wether to vaccinate or not. My dd's are very healthy as are us all.

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We are a rare breed essbeebarmy

I read somewhere that there are a lot of parents waiting to go to court re MMR damaged children but the govt withdrew their legal aid funding shortly before the cases got to court! That makes me very suspicious of the govt line that MMR is safe! If they believe it is safe then why not let it be proved in court?

The single vaccines were licensed in this country until the late 90's. The single vax are licensed in Europe and the USA - this unlicensed scare mongering by the govt really annoys me! If parents don't trust MMR then they should have the option to have single jabs - surely it is better for children to be vaccinated by single jabs than not at all.

I am not anti-vaccine I want DS to have the single jabs so his system isn't overloaded and also to reduce the risk of interaction. Also DS has had quite a lot of antibiotics in his first year (starting when he was 2 days old).

I know there are still risks to the single jabs. I will also have his immunity tested at the usual booster age (and in his teens) to see if further vax are absolutely necessary.

The govenment gains money from the production and admission of immunisations.

KerryMum, Sorry to hear about your dc's my dd1 is anaphylactic, its difficult isn't it.

I would personally not give any more immunisations to your dc's not with these symptoms In my view it would make them worse, all drs will say it was noting to do with the vaccines.

I know so many people who have had adverse effects form vaccinations all with perfectly heathy babies before hand and sick after from whatever age they were immunised.

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hi kerrymum,

I don't think I ould have my kids vaccinated if they had those thngs you desctribed either.

A magazine called The Autism File has loads of really interesting research and articles. It is a magazine that is produced by parents of Autistic children.

autism file

described!

I wouldn't subsribe because they are not very regular in their issues (lack of funding) but I would recommend ordering back copies. They are very interesting.

having typing problems today!

Hillary, what do you mean by "if only people knew what the vaccines grew on and where they came from, nobody would bother with organic veg again"? I'm not being contentious, I'm genuinely interested.

Good Morning MuminBrum

I researched the ingredients as my family have been against vaccinations for years, when I became a mum many health professionals told me it was for the best so I decided to have a look for myself, I had a look at the manufacturers information direct and came across this list of ingredients, obviously you want to do the best for your little ones but I wansn't prepared to put this into mine. I'm not in the medical profession but I copied and pasted this from their info site a long time ago.

No doctor will deniy it if asked as the desease has to be grown and comes from the infection wherever it may be.

People please don't pounce on me for presenting this info, I was asked to produce it, and its a personal choice, I am not trying to influence anyone into not having the vaccine, I gave this info once before and was torn apart for it, I didn't put this list together it came from the vaccine manufacturers.

Heavy metals like mercury and aluminumPus form sores of diseased animalsHorse SerumCalf SerumFecal MatterUrineMacerated Cancer CellsSweepings from diseased childrenOther Vaccine Ingredients: Formaldehyde (a carcinogen) - used in embalming fluidsPhenol (also a carcinogen) - may cause paralysis, convulsions, coma, and necrosis and gangrene Lactalbumin hydrolysate - emulsifierAluminum phosphate - aluminum salt which is corrosive to tissuesRetro-virus (SV-40) - contaminant virus of some polio vaccinesAntibiotics - (i.e., neomycin tm) for infectionChick Embryo - growth medium for virusSodium Phosphate - a buffering saltForeign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) - from growth medium

if you have doubts about the MMR but want your children vaccinated then go for the single jabs: we did for both our dds and were happy with our decision.

who cares whats in the vaccine as long as it protects your child from dieing or being brain damaged from life threatening diseases !!!

Thanks, that's very enlightening, but what's the connection with organic veg?

exaclty, aj! Risk-avoidance gone mad! Or actually trying to aovid a very miniscule risk (problem with vaccine) while putting child in danger of life-threatening disease, makes no sense! Absolutely loopy.

Thing is AJ and Ran, what you say is absolutely true for MOST of us but not for a very miniscule percentage of people and it is those people who are here debating whether their child should be vaccinated, or , in the case of essbee and some others, they have rightly decided against it because one child in their family has already had a bad reaction.

In most of the reading I have done it seems that the child in question already has a poor auto-immune system and a system which struggles/is unable to eliminate toxins from their body. Subsequently their bodies struggle to fight any normal virus but find it even harder when that virus is injected directly into them. On top of this the child already has a build up of toxinsfrom various sources in the body , including heavy metals and it seems that in some cases the MMR is the final straw that overloads them. The MMR does not seem to directly cause the problem but it does seem to be the trigger IYSWIM.

Therefore a child with any indicators of a poor auto-immune system, gut problems, allergies, over use of antibiotics etc etc should probably not have the vaccine.

maybe, but I really hope you'd do so on medical advice as there's still the balance of risk to consider, surely? I realise it must be hard but Wakefield's research into MMR has been completely discredited.

I know RTTH, i personally do not have to worry and mine have/will have MMR. I just feel for those who do have a reason to worry because in their case, there can be a very real risk to either decision.

I don't think many medical experts would advise not giving the vaccine as no one will admit their is a risk for some children. However, speak to all the families who feel that their child had an adverse reaction and take their histories and I think you would have a lot of reasons not to give the vaccine IN SPECIFIC CASES.

Wakefield's research has not been completely discreditied at all.

There was a paper published in Gut (highly respected journal) at the end of last year which looked at the role of a dodgy gut barrier in triggering autoimmune conditons. It didn't mention autism (although autism is often considered an autoimmune conditon), but the mechanism was very similar to Wakefield's current theories.

The hypothesisi that has been "discreditied" is that MMR was responsible the rise in autism. I put "discredited" because that was never actually suggested. People who think that MMR may have triggered some cases of autism think that it's only a subgroup oif the autistic populations- latest figures are that 7% of autistic children have been affected. Small small numbers. ]

Anyway Wakefiled's theory is actually that if you have a ropey gut barrier then you are more susceptible to any live virus. When I mention to Dr's that I think that ds1's hereps infection triggered a regression they all agree that it's quite likely.

No alternative explanation (to my knowledge) has been given for the mealses virus found in the guts and spinal fluid of the particular sub group of autitic children.