should I vaccinate my child or not?

[GalaxyDefender2012]

I am currently 17+2 weeks pregant so I have a little while before I decide. But it's something me and my partner have argued about on numerous occasions. To this date I have never had any vaccinations whatsoever. Despite no one believing me throughout my whole life I haven't. I had the vitamin K shot when I was born but that was it. Never anything more. That's just how my mum brought me and my siblings up as her mother had brought her and her siblings up. And I think her mother before that. My partner on the other hand has had most of his childhood vaccinations just like all of his siblings and all the other children in his family. I would have liked to have carried on the no vaccination tradition if you like. But he strongly wants our child to have them all. And seeing as it is both of our choices it's a subject that we've rowed about in the past. Can anyone let me know their views on whether vaccinations should be administered of not?

like I said I want the our baby vaccinated ive been vaccinated throughout my whole life its her family who haven't. I do appreciate you all commenting saying to have it! its just the name calling I don't respect. especially her calling you C*nts!

if your child has had the vaccination then it wouldn't get affected would it?

• vaccinations are not 100% effective. Some vaccinated people will still get sick
• what about immunocompromised people, and babies who are too young to be vaccinated? Today incidentally is the 2-year anniversary of death of little Riley, who was too young to be vaccinated against pertussis
• if too many people believe vaccinating is a persona decision and they prefer not to, we lose herd immunity. Of course, if you are a regular visitor of vactruth.org, you are probably convinced that herd immunity does not exist. It does.

User/OP did you actually read the DM article you posted?

Only it doesn't say that 1.8 million people were damaged by the MMR vaccine - it says that 1.8 million children were vaccinated with it and that in the thirty years that that happened, three deaths and eight instances of serious conditions were thought to be attributed to it.

So that's 11 people. Possibly. Not 1.8 million people definitely.

My advice would be just do some research, read the white papers. which I doubt most people who are Pro Vaccine have. Read the stories about babies that have died or been seriously injured shortly after being vaccinated read the stories about Pharmaceutical Companies and the back handers, read about how most of the diseases that we vaccinate against were on a decline anyway because of better hygiene and sanitation but for me the most distressing thing that no one talks about is the link with SIDS. Most cots death occur at 2, 4 and 6months the same time as the vaccinations, Is it a coincidence? Possibly. I believe it's a Parent Choice and only you can decide. As for Whooping Cough and Flu Jab whilst pregnant, these are untested on Pregnant Women and I for one certainly wouldn't want to be a Guinea Pig.

No one here is going to agree you shouldn't vaccinate because of 'tradition' and it's got a bit nasty because people do feel strongly about this. Read information from the NHS on the vaccines given to newborns, I was a bit tentative at my DD having quite so many all at once, but she was fine, asleep in the pram on the way home from the doctors each time. Yes, some babies do react badly to the vaccines but the doctors and nurses who administer the vaccines are trained in what to do IF it happens. I have friends who have waited until their babies were older to vaccinate so it wasn't so much pressure on a tiny bodies immune system, but you will be pestered by the health visitors a LOT more than those who chose to vaccinate.

When your daughter goes to nursery/school she will without a doubt come into contact with children and adults that are immunosuppressed and she would be endangering their lives, how would you feel if she had a little friend who died because of catching something from her? Or someone's mum having chemo for cancer catching something at a playdate and leaving her children motherless? These things COULD happen, as could an adverse reaction but one is preventable through your choices. Your family were fine because of herd immunity, not anything else, and you don't know who was affected by your choices. Your grandad may have reacted badly to a flu jab because he had never had his immune system challenged in that way before, and as far as I am aware you can't vaccinate against all forms of meningitis so that's another moot point from your other family member. You don't have to tell your family you've vaccinated her if you feel there will be conflict, just do it and don't mention it. I'm suspicious of big pharma but I am simply not willing to endanger my DDs life or anyone else's with entirely preventable diseases.

Can you give some sources and evidence for your points please Donna?

Not trying to change your mind but just in case someone comes across this thread while researching for themselves and issues concerned by the above claims:

Safety of whooping cough vaccination in pregnancy is discussed here :

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/whooping-cough-vaccination-pregnant.aspx

Current published figures are that there were no adverse reactions reported in a sample of 20000 pregnant women.

Here is the safety advice on the flu vaccine.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/Pages/flu-jab-vaccine-pregnant.aspx#safe

Information about vaccinations and their alleged but unfounded links with sids:

www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index4.html - there is also information here about the impacts of health and sanitation.

A lot of these theories about vaccines come from VAERS - a US website for reporting vaccine side effects. The thing is, anyone can report on this website - it does not need evidence or a doctor to back up any claims - you could put something on there now yourself and the report would-be accepted.

The VAERS website clarifies their position :

vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

'A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.'

Just for info...

I think the issue is that the OP's views if the OP is even real are not based in logic, they are based in a blind faith in a God who she thinks has already determined the course of her life, and it's very difficult to argue against blind faith.

I think what we are witnessing here, ironically, is natural selection in action!

'just in case someone comes across this thread while researching for themselves and issues concerned by the above claims:'

This should say is not issues... Pesky phone.

Donnalouise is a case study of 18000 pregnant women not good enough for you?

Most cots death occur at 2, 4 and 6months the same time as the vaccinations, Is it a coincidence?
Not it's not a coincidence - it's just false and it's scare-mongering.
The peak age for SIDS is 2-3 months, rates decline after that and very few happen after 6 months.

Instead of calling me a fuckwit and calling bullocks to what I did think was common knowledge have a think about it.

Has anyone known anyone that had measles and mumps at the same time.

If this theory is bullocks then why do some children who have had the first vaccine of mmr go on to catch measles or mumps before they have had the second lot of the MMR.

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Spot on! My spidey senses were tingling on your first post user I knew you were the op (I've only just come back to the thread because it you were was annoying me so much)

In a world where antibiotics are becoming less effective I don't know why you wouldn't vaccinate your children.

If they had the MMR jab 50 years ago my step mother wouldn't be deaf from measles. My grandfather wouldn't have contracted TB if he was vaccinated 100 years ago, maybe he wouldn't have had one lung removed and spent 30 years hidden away in sanatoriums.

Do yourself a favour and don't catch rubella. My friends mum had that same tradition in her family. Her disabled sister is the result of her mum catching it whilst pregnant.

I had a reaction to the whooping cough jab in the 80s, I checked out science and the whooping cough jab is completely different and safer now so I let my kids have it.

Getting the slipper, crushing up rusks to put in babies bottle, and using whiskey on the gums to help teething were all used in my family for 'generations'. I love them to bits but I will not pretend that they can be stupid and ignorant at times.

Personally I reckon Australia have it right, you do t get to access benefits if you do t vaccinate your kids.

"If this theory is bullocks then why do some children who have had the first vaccine of mmr go on to catch measles or mumps before they have had the second lot of the MMR"

Because no medicine is 100% effective. Hope this helps.

Yes

Is a poster really trying to say that MMR does not work because it is supposed to protect against both measles and mumps, and those two cancel each other out? And nobody in the world has been smart enough to figure it out? And the fact that the vaccine has about 88% effectiveness against mumps and 97% against measles is what, all made up?

for me the most distressing thing that no one talks about is the link with SIDS. Most cots death occur at 2, 4 and 6months the same time as the vaccinations, Is it a coincidence?

I can ease your distress.

If it is true that most are at 2, 4 and 6 months (which I doubt) then it has to be entirely unconnected in UK to the vaccinations schedule (2, 3 and 4 months)

There is also a whole raft of studies show Jt that SIDS is less common in vaccinated DC then the unvaxxed.

I had the very same discussions with my partner over our son.
We decided in the end to have him vaccinated.
Although the chances of him getting these illnesses are slim the long term damage they cause are not worth thinking about. Some of these illnesses take hold so quick, so anything you can do to prevent them is worth it.
Your child is unlikely to have a reaction as millions of children have the vaccines are fine yet you will only ever hear the horror stories. If you are concerned speak to GP as we had some of our sons injections given separately rather then all together, as he was a prem baby and didn't want to overload his system.
Remember that the baby you are carrying is your baby, and not all traditions are good, do what you and husband want not what you're family expect.what swayed my DH was could he ever forgive himself if our son got one of these horrendous illnesses and we could have vaccinated against it.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here OP...

Do some serious research on vaccinations and the illnesses they give protection from then weigh up the impact that the small chance of adverse reaction Vs the very real chance of illness and decide which would impact on your child/family most before making up your own mind.

Do not base this decision on "family tradition", science has come a long way since you/your mother/your grandmother were children and to completely ignore that fact because of what happened in the post would be at best uninformed.

FWIW, both of mine have had the scheduled vaccinations (they're 10 and 4) but i don't feel the need to get the extras such as flu, chicken pox or meningitis separately.

My midwife last week recommended I have whooping cough vaccine. Where I live this winter there have been at least 20 kids who have had it who have been hospitalised. 1 has died. That was enough for me.

Because people are rejecting vaccinations things like whooping cough measles and Scarlett fever are becoming more prevalent. These can in extreme cases kill children and babies.

I'm having baby vaccinated not because I agree necessarily with pumping baby full of unknown substances. But because although it's not yet born I care for its wellbeing and future.

Yes there is still a risk they will catch something (measles for example or menengitis). But if vaccinated the risk is lower and from my understanding the effects of the disease will be lessened.

I see no difference in having A vaccination to travel to another country or having baby jabs. yoive said if baby was to be admitted to hospital and a jab was necessary you'd allow it. So you're obviously not against it for medical reasons.

So why not the initial ones!

I'm with you Captain Australia have the right idea - vaccinate or no benefit or access to childcare etc. If you don't want to participate in society, fine, don't participate.

Other European countries have mandatory vaccination too - I think it would be a great idea here and would end this whole tiresome business.

And if anyone isn't sure about getting the whooping cough vaccination in pregnancy, Google Light For Riley. Poor little scrap died two years ago yesterday from whooping cough.

And yes, I put my money where my mouth is, I got the flu and whooping cough shot in my first pregnancy - baby born with one head, ten fingers and ten toes and is a completely normal, energetic and mischievous toddler.

I'm pregnant at the moment, have the flu shot and will be getting the whooping cough shot again too.

I haven't read the whole thread but read these heartbreaking posts about little Riley, written by his mummy and daddy, and then make up your mind:

m.facebook.com/lightforriley/

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ememem84 to try to set your mind at rest, you will not be pumping your baby full of unknown substances... Every ingredient in a vaccine is known, listed and tested. Some of the ingredients look and sound a bit scary if you look at the lists but they have all been tested extensively and found to be safe in the quantities they are used in.

I know it's scary - even though I am completely pro vaccination now I wasn't always so confident in my choice! I did lots of reading and spoke to qualified people like my gp and practice nurse in advance - it's a big responsibility to make a choice like this for your baby and completely natural that you would be concerned.