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De-registered patient and medical records

452 replies

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 14:56

If I am no longer registered at a GP practice, where would my medical records be kept?

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CremeBrusselsSprouts · 29/12/2016 18:12

I think you are overestimating the level of interest your medical records will be to a health care professional.

What type of information do you feel the need to withhold?

LunaLoveg00d · 29/12/2016 18:13

i would like a certain drug prescribed however I don't meet the criteria, maybe I should just make a new care record to get what I want with a new Dr. Can you see why this couldn't happen in the NHS?

It's not just that though. What about "Don't really want the GP to know that my child has been in A&E 6 times in the last 3 years with suspicious injuries, so I'll just move to the next town and register elsewhere."

Or "My history of prolonged drug abuse means GP is reluctant to prescribe pain killers, so I'll just create a new record".

Or "I'm embarrased about having anorexia/bulimia/sexual assault/abortion/ any other condition and don't want anyone to know about it, so I'll move GPs and lie when asked".

All situations which are FAR more likely than a national conspiracy to sell medical record access to McDonalds or something.

Grumpbum · 29/12/2016 18:17

Absolutely Luna I am trying to child wrangle whilst wondering about some people

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:27

If I am overestimating the interest in my medical records, why does the Government want to share them? Hmm

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Grumpbum · 29/12/2016 18:29

Just who do you think they are sharing with?

SnapCackleFlop · 29/12/2016 18:31

Pseudonym99 I know this doesn't really address the issues you raise but would it be possible for you to see a private GP any time you need to see one? It's completely private and separate and only information they have is the info you give.

I think you have a good point and it's a pity you get shouted down so it's never really addressed.

This is interesting too medconfidential.org

WobblyLondoner · 29/12/2016 18:31

As a previous poster has said, care.data didn't actually happen?

Are you aware of the recent Caldicott review and it's recommendations about patient records and consent - perhaps worth reading given your concerns? See - www.gov.uk/government/speeches/review-of-health-and-care-data-security-and-consent

I don't know about access to medical records within the NHS but I do know that you can opt out of your records being used for medical research.

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:32

Luna, none of those excuses apply to me. And its my records I don't want to share, not my child's, so no child protection issues there. And so what if I've been sexually assaulted / have anorexia / bullemia any other condition? My body, my choice.

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PberryT · 29/12/2016 18:34

😂 you sound bonkers op.

Wolfiefan · 29/12/2016 18:34

So what? It may inform how health professionals treat you. Help them make a better diagnosis or handle sensitive issues better.
You're sounding irrational. You really are.

SnapCackleFlop · 29/12/2016 18:34

Just who do you think they are sharing with?

Google for one,

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-google-medical-records-data-sharing-16-million-a7011891.html

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:34

I don't know, Grumpbum, you tell me?

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CremeBrusselsSprouts · 29/12/2016 18:36

Nationally, there is an aim to digitise care records and provide shared access to patient information across primary, secondary and social care where there is a clinical need in order to improve the quality of care and increase the efficiency of care delivery.

Local digital roadmaps have been developed to baseline current NHS and local authority technology levels and to develop plans to achieve the paperless by 2020 targets.

What do you think is going to happen?

Grumpbum · 29/12/2016 18:39

No one.
Honestly I think you need to opt out of medical care completely and get yourself a new tin hat.bowing out now, no point arguing with the irrational

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:40

care.data didn't actually happen exactly - because of all the data sharing concerns. The intent is there, and they will try again in the future. I do not want to be a part of that.

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LunaLoveg00d · 29/12/2016 18:40

Knowing someone has had an eating disorder in the past may be relevant to all sorts of gastro or digestive illnesses I'd imagine, although I'm not a doctor. And a past abortion is very relevant to any gynae or pregnancy appointments.

You're still being coy about exactly WHO you think "they" are sharing your oh so interesting information with and what "they" are going to do with it.

Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:42

What do you think is going to happen? exactly as described in your post - shared records. I don't want my records shared.

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Pseudonym99 · 29/12/2016 18:44

I don't know, Luna, you tell me who 'they' are, because the NHS aren't telling us

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teainbed · 29/12/2016 18:45

But you can't do what you want to do with regard to your records. It's impossible.

CremeBrusselsSprouts · 29/12/2016 18:46

I agree with grumpbum, you have no argument other than a general sense of paranoia and some conspiracy theory nonsense.

Please realise that it is Luddite non-opinions like this that make it so bloody hard for health care professionals to gain access to vital information at the point of care delivery.

I'm out.

bringmelaughter · 29/12/2016 18:48

So this argument about not wanting to share data doesn't make sense. Let's suppose you get what you want; a shiny new medical record at a new GP practice. You then see the GP, practice nurse, practice physio or whatever. How does erasing past data/history stop your current records being shared? It doesn't, you have to rely on the consent systems for data sharing in the NHS that are in place.

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 29/12/2016 18:49

Minions. "They" are sharing the information with Minions. The Minions are going to go round to everyone's house who they have information on and put the Peppa Pig theme tune directly in to their brains with a Babel Fish.

Wolfiefan · 29/12/2016 18:51

I really don't understand OP. I am seeing physio and podiatry and musculoskeletal teams. Surely it's beneficial if these professionals can see what the different issues I have are?
I doubt the NHS is flogging details of Mrs Blogg's piles down the pub?!

Fallonjamie · 29/12/2016 18:51

Luna - exactly. For the reasons you have given such as child abuse, diagnosis 'shopping', drug-seeking, serious mental illness such as Munchausens or Munchausens by proxy.

And the safety of HCPs takes precefent over OPs desires. Not all HCPs work in clinics/hospitals/surgeries. I worked in the community for years and it was absolutely vital that I could access records which sometimes said 'no lone home visits due to risk of...x y or z'. A colleague was held hostage in someone's house because of vital information not being easily accessible.

I know of a few cases where people have created another identity (asylum seekers from war zones on other continents with collapsed/corrupt government so it was accepted that ID/birth certificates were not available or if they were, there was no way of checking the validity).

They DID have UK medical records outlining their convictions for serious crimes but were able to access other health services in the UK with no/faked documents from country of origin and put staff and other patients at risk. This is what OP is proposing she do - state shes from overseas but now resident here and that not be queried. The reason it has to be queried is because of the very, very few people who used the confusion to abuse the NHS or NHS workers.

I've known people be assessed as mentally ill and detained under the MHA when they were in fact suffering from neurological complications of AIDS or syphilis which was previously diagnosed but they moved to other cities and presented to health care in acute crisis and witheld information about their medical history/were unable to report correctly.

That's why what OP would like to do is so, so dangerous.

tribpot · 29/12/2016 18:53

The government wants to 'share' your records in two different ways.

  1. It wants the right information about your medical history to be available to support the HCPs involved in your care as you move from one care setting to another. This is to prevent medical errors, to prevent you from having to repeat all the pertinent history over and over again (with the likelihood of it being written down wrongly in one care setting or another) and to enable your care to be more appropriately joined up.

In the course of treatment information also has to flow to support billing activities, so the hospital can reimbursed by the commissioner, your CCG.

You can express your wishes about this kind of sharing in a number of ways, and it isn't very consistent in the way it's implemented in different systems. However, to support your care, some information does have to be shared. It always has done, since before there was an NHS.

  1. It wants to exploit your records - I don't necessarily mean this pejoratively. It wants to use your medical data, in conjunction with lots of other people's medical data, for research, risk stratification, service planning and all the other back office activity that manages the delivery of care to the population as a whole. Does Vodafone use your call records for the same kind of purpose? Yes it does. (I appreciate call records and health records are not the same thing).

Rarely does this second (and secondary) purpose need your records to be identifiable - unlike in the first case, where of course it does. However, you are reliant on those who are extracting the data and those who are allowing the data to be extracted to be doing so in the most appropriate way. This was really the crux of care.data. Those in charge insisted it had to be extracted as identifiable data and then the population had to trust them not to release it in identifiable form unless it was warranted. Whereas many opponents wanted the data to be de-identified at source so that what was leaving the health organisation (the practice in this case) was aggregate data for research.

You may or may not class this second activity as 'sharing'.

So how you approach expressing your concerns about medical record sharing depends on which of these types of sharing you are referring to. Either way I think you probably need to keep reading on the subject until you're clearer about your concerns. It is simply disingenuous to say that a mental health condition like anorexia, with extremely severe physical side effects (including death), is not relevant to your care. Before deciding not to allow this (hypothetical) diagnosis to be shared, you would need to be appropriately counselled as to the implications for your care. That's 'your body, your choice' - it needs to be an informed choice.

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