I'm now worried that the HPV vaccine is not safe - will my daughters be infertile because of it?

[damepeanutbutter]

A friend just posted this article on Facebook.

My eldest was one of the first to have the HPV vaccine and my youngest DD has just had it a month ago. I'm now worried that I might have signed them off to being infertile. Please can someone with knowledge shed some light on this for me please? I've emailed their school this evening and I shall investigate further. I have to admit to feeling a little bit .

www.hpvvaccine.org.au/the-hpv-vaccine/has-the-program-been-successful.aspx

They are already seeing a massive decrease in warts, abnormal Pap smears etc.

It amuses me that the anti vax lobby are the same people whinging about big pharma not finding a cure for cancer face palm

SERIOUS side effects I said. I don't think auto-immune disorder is worth the risk for an unknown vaccine that independent scientists are now showing has potential risks. I keep putting the sources up (eg, work by C.Shaw, L.Tomljenovic, Y.Shoenfeld, C. Exley). I look forward to reading scientific articles to show that it is safe. I do not mean the CDC, FDA or Merck reports because I do not trust biased research.

I beg your pardon? All I care about is that a mother here, is quite rightly worried about a vaccine that is a global cause for concern. What does that have to do with cancer or anti-vaxxers? You cannot defend yourself by just making assumptions about me or my views. As I say, show me the research. I hope you are right and I am wrong about this vaccine. Seriously I do. If it prevents cervical cancer I will be delighted. In the meantime there are so many girls whose lives have been ripped apart since HPV vaccine, and we need to know why. I care hugely about them.

www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2014/03/05/3957243.htm

minpin the leaflet says the number of girls who 'reported new medical conditions potentially indicative of systemic autoimmune disorders' was in line with those who received a saline solution. So the vaccine hasn't caused that. It's just something that's happened to these girls anyway, otherwise there would be a distinctive increase in those who have received the vaccination.

There's 100s of studies into it, but you want to look at the 2 that don't agree so there's no point trying to change your mind.

I suppose you will prefer to look at the few people who had side effects and ignore the thousands that won't get cancer.

And that's your right. But your children are your science experiment. Google vs real science, you bet your kids life on it!

There are plenty of concerns about this vaccine, and it hasn't been around very long. Japan and Denmark are not noted for their naive stupidity, and they both stopped the vaccine (after initially using it).

I think that the article the OP linked to seems a bit dodgy, but the blog Haggis cited is far less believable, and is actually just insulting the many people who have perfectly reasonable questions.

I feel the article everyone should read is the one published by the American Academy of Paediatricians, a highly respected organisation.

www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/health-issues/new-concerns-about-the-human-papillomavirus-vaccine

Here is a short excerpt:

"While data from those studies do not indicate an increased rate of amenorrhea after vaccination, the essential lack of saline placebos and the majority of participants taking hormonal contraceptives in those studies preclude meaningful data to rule out an effect on ovarian function."

Sorry I thought this article was from the American Academy but it is from the dodgy American College.

Sorry, my fault, as I missed the second page of posts.

That's from the American College of Pediatricians, which I think was mentioned up thread aren't a very trustworthy organisation.

From what I can see, the American Academy of Pediatrics haven't commented on the vaccination recently, except to publish a vaccination schedule, so they're clearly still recommending it for use.

There are still plenty of questions about this vaccine though.

cross post sorry!

I had it as well and have a 3 year old. A lot of girls I went to school with have kids (one is pregnant with her third!) definitely not infertile. I'm almost 23 and got it done at school (I'm in Scotland)

Hysterical!! The number of girls who can only be 20 having 3 babies now!! I have the research. You all seem to destroy the American College because you have nothing else you can throw at us. I am speaking to worldwide experts who are research scientists. I know many girls who have been made incredibly ill, yet in the UK what I can tell you is that the NHS will largely ignore your beliefs, will tell you the symptoms are unrelated, in your head, etc etc. There is no protocol for vaccine damage per se in the UK. The MHRA do not help you . You are completely on your own. I have only goodwill in listening to your rants, to let other parents know the absolute truth about the dangers that are very very real. Please let's accept everyone's points of view. The more my arguments stand up to rigorous assessment (ie backed by real research) the more I am attacked and discredited. I will try to leave this now and beg all parents to look up the side effects. Look at the ONS figures, look up the Independent newspaper from last April. There is a huge drive for this not to be revealed becasue the numbers of families that would be clamouring at the NHS/Government/Big Pharma door will be in the thousands. I don't know why you are all so horrible about ir, when we have extremely strong reasons to believe there is something very wrong her. I swear on my children's lives that everything I am saying is true. Can you all do that?

If you are seriously trying to investigate a vaccine's effects, why in the name of all that is holy would you ask the school???

And minpin, no, I'm not going to accept people's points of view when they are ill informed, or just plain wrong.

Mumsnet is full of trolls. Are you paid by big pharma? I shall leave here now and not return because it's a nasty pit of snakes. I love my children and the fact that my daughter has brain seizures, that are unpredictable, she had 20 other symptoms related to autonomic nervous system disorder, which we have treated with many different alternative treatments, she has blood tests results that show that toxins (or severe brain inflammation) have caused rupture of 24% of her blood cells, and all within a few weeks of Gardasil second dose, are enough for me to know the evilness of this vaccine. Shame on you trolls.

I throw down the gauntlet....I would happy to have an open discussion on this. Let's make it a public debate in London.. who will come? Aussiemum, Pitiful? I Let's do it?? I hereby ask anyone if they will come and talk about it. Let's ask the manufacturers, then they can allay our fears. All parents should come who are nervous about this vaccine. Then we can really find out about it... ok?

I can't imagine anything more awful.

Dealing with it is one thing, but the abuse on here, the denial of everything I show the doctors, neurologists, even the school is what has sent me into overdrive. I will never give up on this because I have utter integrity in my soul and utter knowledge that it is evil. There is nothing stronger than a mother who's child has been injured by someone and then is totally denied their beliefs. I will never give up for all the girls who are meant to have it this year. I wish you all well.

Every medication has side effects, but they are approved and administered because the benefits outweigh the risks. It's like pulling penicillin from use because some people have had serious reactions, yet it's saved millions. I get your position and I am truly sorry that you are in this situation, but I for one go believe in the effects of this vaccine and if someone prevented my children from getting the opportunity to have this I would be extremely mad. Each to their own and I think it's down to each individual to research the pros and cons not listen to the extremes of the arguments from people on opposite ends of the scale.

minpin I have huge sympathy for your view.

I don't know enough about the subject and my kids are too young for it. But based on my reading to date, I would not currently allow my kids to have this vaccine.

The problem with MN is that ANY criticisms of vaccines are met with mockery and derision.

That a placebo contained an ingredient contained in the vaccine seems ridiculous.

Mn vax threads are snake pits.

It's heresy on mn to even question the uk vax schedule.

Gardisil can and does cause encephalitis even the manufacturers and the government agree on this. Yes those occupancies are rare but I've seen the effects of encephalitis and I'd rather my dd got cervical cancer than that.

But of course we wouldn't need it at all if men would just use condoms.

But no that's far to unreasonable to ask. We'll just risk the health of women instead.

OP don't bother asking the school - vaccines in school are delivered by School Health Teams, not Education. The school premises are just the venue - vaccination programmes have very little to do with teachers. If you have concerns you need to contact your local School Health Team - you should be able to find the number online, or the school can pass you their contact details.

For info, here is the update from the American College of Paediatrics, which are as previous posters have said a group of paediatricians with common interests. They have no regulatory powers and do not set policy or make nationwide recommendations that must be followed.

February 1, 2016. CLARIFICATION: This newly released statement entitled “New Concerns about the Human Papillomavirus Vaccine” is a call for more research into any possible association between HPV vaccines and ovarian dysfunction, including the rare condition of premature ovarian failure (POF). This is NOT a call to abandon HPV vaccination. The American College of Pediatricians is a pro-vaccine organization. Until such an association is proven to be causation, we continue to recommend that the HPV vaccine be offered to adolescent patients as a form of proven protection. As with all vaccines and any medical treatment, parents and patients deserve to be informed of all known risks and benefits.

The original site The Healthy Home Economist is just a blog.

I researched it and was appalled at what I found. Over 8500 reports of adverse effects and 5 deaths in the UK reported via the Yellow Book scheme to the MHRA. Needless to say my daughter isn't having it and nor are all the mums I know allowing their daughters to have it after I encouraged them to research.....

So, what are we saying? That the American College of Paediatricians hasn't released the article at all?

No, but the only part of it in the article the OP linked to is; "The purpose of the statement is so that “individuals considering the use of human papillomavirus vaccines could be made aware of these concerns pending further action by the regulatory agencies and manufacturers.”

The rest has nothing to do with the statement. Also who do you think they are? They sound like they represent hundreds or even thousands of Paediaticions, but they don't.

www.snopes.com/pediatricians-association-admits-hpv-vaccine-cancer-link/

Add to that the age the vaccine is given and the age 'ovarian dysfunction' is picked up.

So a 12 year old has HPV vaccination before she starts her periods and therefore before her ovaries start to release eggs, when she does start to produce eggs she has irregular periods are these caused by the vaccine? Well you can't tell, many young women have irregular periods.

Maybe by the time she is 19 she has been diagnosed with PCOS, again was that caused by the vaccine? Again we don't know.

The only thing you can do is track the numbers of young women who do have PCOS, endometriosis, or just irregular periods and compare the numbers with those pre vaccination and see if numbers have gone up, then you can say there may be a link, but you have to look at other factors to see if there is anything else to account for a change eg if the US suddenly started to give free gynae investigations to women under 20 then the number of diagnoses may well go up.

I researched it and was appalled at what I found. Over 8500 reports of adverse effects and 5 deaths in the UK reported via the Yellow Book scheme to the MHRA. Needless to say my daughter isn't having it and nor are all the mums I know allowing their daughters to have it after I encouraged them to research.....

How many women die of cervical cancer?

www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cervical-cancer-statistics

Stats show 3000+ diagnoses (2012), 919 deaths (2013). Taking very rough figures your dd is 3x more likely to have an adverse reaction that may (not definitely is) be linked to the vaccine but if they develop cancer they are 183 x more likely to die than if they had the jab.

Actually that's all wrong, because the numbers for cancer and death are per year, the reactions are part of a total, so 2006 to 2016 - 10 years. So 0.5 deaths per year compared to 919, now I know only 70% of cervical cancers are stopped by the jabs, so I suppose it should be 70% of 919 is 614.

An adverse reaction can be a simple as bleeding from the injection site or feeling sick. At least one of the deaths which was highly publicised the girl had a heart condition and that is what killed her, but her death is still included in the figures.

Go look at the PM reports for those deaths, they may have happened just after a vaccine but it doesn't mean the vaccine caused it.

The American College of Paediatricians may well have released it but its not a Government body, its one of a set of professional groups, founded in 2002 and right wing - there view on same sex marriage is

"The College itself has maintained that a significant body of research has demonstrated that “same-sex marriage deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father, and is therefore harmful.”

There latest statement on HPV

February 1, 2016. CLARIFICATION: This newly released statement entitled “New Concerns about the Human Papillomavirus Vaccine” is a call for more research into any possible association between HPV vaccines and ovarian dysfunction, including the rare condition of premature ovarian failure (POF). This is NOT a call to abandon HPV vaccination. The American College of Pediatricians is a pro-vaccine organization. Until such an association is proven to be causation, we continue to recommend that the HPV vaccine be offered to adolescent patients as a form of proven protection. As with all vaccines and any medical treatment, parents and patients deserve to be informed of all known risks and benefits.