I'm now worried that the HPV vaccine is not safe - will my daughters be infertile because of it?

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A friend just posted this article on Facebook.

My eldest was one of the first to have the HPV vaccine and my youngest DD has just had it a month ago. I'm now worried that I might have signed them off to being infertile. Please can someone with knowledge shed some light on this for me please? I've emailed their school this evening and I shall investigate further. I have to admit to feeling a little bit .

That's the trouble with vaccinations.

No one is allowed to question ANY possible side effect without receiving derision and snorts of contempt.

Vaccine damage does exist.

I would hope this would somehow be investigated for potential numbers.

Fair enough peanut. I know there are some concerns about this vaccine and your gps comments are interesting. I think the problem on mn is, there are lots of posters who accept utter quackery and it can sometimes be difficult not to be a little concerned at the misinformation that can be given out. I would still choose to have dd and ds vaccinated for this, but it's a decision each family has to make.

Thank you Haggis. I appreciate you understanding where I am coming from.

A maxim I try to live by is something my DM taught me when I was but a girl and which I teach my DCs now: If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

So many on MN could use that advice. People often lunge in on threads from a point of 'look at you, you're so stupid' rather than engaging on a mature and adult level. Disagree with me by all means, but point me in the right direction in a kind way, not in a RomCom way.

Thank you to those who have been re-assuring and kind.

This kind of premature ovarian failure is immensely rare, and in the majority of cases is idiopathic (ie just happened, no cause ever found).

This happened before this vaccine was developed. And has continued to happen, at about the same (miniscule) rate in the population as it ever did.

If it was linked to the vaccine, the you'd expect an increase. But this has not happened.

Idiopathic disease can occur in both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

What would the authors ascribe the cause of such a failure in an unvaccinated person? For there were just as many of those before HPV vaccine existed.

Isn't the American College of Pediatricians a fringe group? I think it was formed when some folks broke off from the American Academy of Pediatrics, essentially over moral/religious differences.

AAP is more of a standard-bearer for Pediatricians in the US.

The American College of Pediatricians is not the equivalent of e.g. the UK Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. It is not the chief professional body for pediatricians in the US. It is a (tiny) pressure group of very socially conservative pediatricians who have an axe to grind with HVP vaccines because they think they encourage sexual promiscuity. It is not a body responsible for drug safety (that is the FDA in the US) and is in no way in a position to pronounce on vaccine safety.

If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

But calling someone a "narcisstic bully" is ok, OP?

The interesting thing is the package information leaflet that accompanies the vaccine, Gardasil (not the letter from NHS).

www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil_9/gardasil_9_pi.pdf
Bottom of page 7 / top of 8 in particular.

This is from the manufacturer, Merck. It compares the new Gardasil9 with the current Gardasil. It states that 2.5% of girls had a serious adverse event post vaccine with Gardasil. That is 1 in 40 girls. Why would anyone risk that. How did this get on the NHS vaccine list. It is utterly outrageous. 3.3 % have an auto-immune disorder post Gardasil. That is 1 in 30.

Please listen to me. I am a genuine mother who has done the research. This is their own information. This vaccine is not safe nor effective. Detox now. Symptoms can take months to be revealed. Headaches, ME, muscle pains. Look at the leaflet. You cannot argue with the manufacturers. And yes, primary ovarian failure has been recorded post vaccine, look at work by Colafrancesco, and Dierdre Little.

Minpin-I just read the package insert on Gardasil 9 and the 3.3% stat on autoimmune disorders was found with the vaccine, but also with a saline placebo and with a control solution not containing the vaccine.

So, there was no increase in incidence with the vaccine.

Pitiless Yank - the issue with the control solution has been well documented - Merck used a placebo containing aluminium adjuvant. This is not an inactive substance, so is just as likely to cause adverse events in the control group as the experimental group.

Dr. Lee who actually defined the criteria for diagnosing Human Papillomavirus, has just written to Dr. Margaret Chan, head of the WHO claiming deception of the true facts about HPV vaccines at the Japanese Symposium last year. There is a lot wrong here.

The insert notes that the rates were similar with a bland saline placebo.

I am just letting you know what I read in the insert, which you referenced.

By the way, the document and figures I quoted were Gardasil 9 (2.3%)versus Gardasil (2.5%) .

There was no mention in that document of Gardasil versus placebo, so perhaps you are talking about another package insert? Please read again.

www.merckvaccines.com/Products/Gardasil9/safety-information;pgid=UoXun1CIyLRSR0EK44UuV0Tn0000Ml4TKOb1;sid=v3XjDi0EDnuyDnu-N1eF8TKoA4MjSwZtbhk=

Page 8.

Gardasil 9 used a saline placebo, not Gardasil. In this country I do not think Gardasil 9 has started to be injected. I hope it never does, as it contains even more neuro-toxin than the current one. Also Polysorbate 80 is another nasty ingredient. We wouldn't eat these chemicals, so why inject them straight into the bloodstream?

Ultimately, though, do what you want! It won't affect my kids, unless you get the vaccine outlawed, which seems unlikely.

Over 8000 families have reported side effects to the MHRA. Over 2000 are SERIOUS. I think vaccines are a good thing. But they have to be safe and they have to work...

I do hope that anyone reading this thread will do his/her own research, looking at a broad variety of sources. Please don't trust what people say on here when it comes to vaccines.

I have read about this extensively and am happy to discuss the findings. I urge all parents to do the research on side effects and find the figures to show it works.. I am passionate about warning parents about this, because there are no studies on the longterm effectiveness of this drug, yet side effects are being reported in their thousands across the world. It has not even been proven to prevent a single case of cervical cancer (see work by Haug, C, 2009). The letter sent home to parents about the vaccine does not, in my opinion, constitute 'informed consent' because you are not told about the 30 or so listed serious side effects.

Cervical cancer is an evil disease, but as far as I can see this vaccine is sadly, not the answer.

I had the jab at school and I'm 25 this year. No DC so cannot comment on the fertility issue personally but there are quite a few from my year group who have children.

I feel the need to point out that the reason it has "not been shown" to prevent cervical cancer is because it can take 20-40 years for cervical cancer to develop and the vaccine is younger than that.

Don't ever trust somebody else's interpretation, find out what is meant by "serious side effect", and read about the actual numbers of people getting the vaccine vs the numbers having issues with it.

Exactly Pitiless Yank!! Why give a vaccine that nobody knows whether or not it will work!! Even one of the lead developers stated on CBS NEws in2009 that there could be problems (DR. DIANE HARPER). We are basically vaccinting 12 year old children with an unproven vaccine.

Even if 10 million girls have this, just one serious side effect is too much if it doesn't work --or do you disagree?

Every medicine has potential side effects min pin. Even paracetamol can cause liver damage. It's a clear trade off between risk and benefits of any medicine.

Are you saying you don't use any medicines at all? Because they all contain chemicals and can have a side effect?

I don't know, taking a leap, but I'm pretty sure there's a difference between whether scientists know something, and whether they can show it.

So they can't show that the vaccine prevents cervical cancer, yet, because there hasn't been enough time, but they know it will due to the extensive research and study they undertook while developing the vaccine?

Patapouf - can I ask please, where did you have the HPV as it only came in the UK in 2008 I think? Were there some schools that did it earlier.. or is this maybe not in UK?