72 babies died within 20 days of receiving GSK Infanrix hexa Vaccine

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72 babies died within 20 days of receiving GSK Infanrix hexa Vaccine.
They reported that the deaths of these children were due to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) and Sudden Unexpected Death Syndrome (SUDS) unrelated vaccination. WHAT??? What cant

Infanrix hexa combines vaccines against 6 diseases [namely Diptheria, Tetanus and Acelluar Pertusis (whooping cough), Hepatitis B, inactivated Poliomyelitis and Haemophilus influenza type B] in a single vaccine.

Why arent we informed of problems

england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/homelessness/emergency_accommodation_if_homeless/womens_refuges

Katiebeau CDC says some vaccines have got antibiotics in. Just because to you they might seem small, it is still in there and it can still cause a reaction, hence the reason why your doctor always ask you if your illergic to them. How would you know your newborn is or isn't? And what is the maximum amount a newborn can have? Because with some of these ingredients, it exceed the EPA levels for a grown man. What effects does this do to their bodies/ brain by self and how does it effect the baby's brain when combined with all the other ingredients inside the vaccine? I dont know the answer. I am still trying to look. But I know for sure, I wasnt told of the various ingredients inside the vaccine. I dint knnow there where other germs inside the vaccine other than the one I was told I will be vaccinated against. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Here is a more comprehensive list, which you can then go to vaccine manufactures website and pull off the vaccine insert.
vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccine-ingredients/antibiotics.html

We now know this is the type of research we should have been doing. Light reading on the NHS and websites like this, isnt.

HazleNutt - yes i have read the document and weeped.

Why are you just assumng that because YOU weren't told the risks, or YOU weren't given the patient information leaflet then no one else was.
I definitely was given the information leaflet that came with the vaccines and still have it.

Plus you have free will to go and research it yourself, you know like you do with car seats or prams as you said earlier, no one tells you that you need to research them but you obviously did.

bruffin - yes it is scary. Know that I have looked at the statistics and what each of the diseases are and what causes it, what to effect. what to look out for, what is the treatment. I would much rather my child got mumps than what my nephew has.

I also did look into pro of vaccines. How effextive it is. What constitutes as effective? How long it last for? The difference between vaccine acquired immiunity compared to natural acquired immunity. Why I can still get ill after being immunized etc....

Im not here to say dont get vaccinated. I know it there is real scirnce behind it. Looking back this is such an important subject which could effect the childs health and life, so why isnt there more information of the risks for us to have as parents, so that we can make a unbiased and informed choice. That is what I am asking.

There's plenty of info on the NHS website for a starter, including the fact that some vaccines have antibiotics in and why

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/benefits-and-risks.aspx

I can't see how they are hiding the risks from us

Just for info, if you want to research vaccines your baby will receive its worth researching the actual vaccine that your baby will be given depending on which country you're in...

Infanrix-Hexa isn't given in the UK - we give Infanrix-Hib or Pediacel (and Pediacel is currently unavailable). Hexa contains Hep B which isn't in the UK schedule.

If you're going to ask questions about vaccination then make sure you're asking them about the correct vaccine.

Have you ever tried to weigh out 0.15mg of an antibiotic, or anything in fact. It's not just small it's virtually nonexistent. As your own link says the possibility of anyone having an allergic reaction to a dose that small is at best theoretical.

I'm sure some people do have allergic reactions to vaccines, in the same way that people have allergic reactions to all sorts of things, natural and synthetic. But the risk of having an allergic reaction triggered by an infinitesimally small amount of an antibiotic specifically chosen because it doesn't usually cause a problem is so small I'm not sure it's worth considering.

OP you do know that whatever research you read, you wouldn't find a proven link between vaccinations and autism?

You do know that newborns are sometimes given full doses of antibiotics, right? Rather than the smaller trace amounts that are in some vaccines?

My 6 week early baby, for instance, had IV antibiotics within 2 hours of being born. I'm not sure how much antibiotics you'd get in a typical vaccine, but I'm certain that it's going to be less than the amount of antibiotics in a course of IV antibiotics.

you weeped reading the report that found that the vaccine does not cause SIDS and does not, in fact, 'kill and maim' children? Why is it so sad?

Truly, life is too short for me to wade through the whole bloody thread.

Just this:
It is simply as there is clearly a risk why arent we being told?
We ARE told, if we just bother to pay attention. We DO know there are risks associated with vaccines: anyone who reads the papers, talks to their doctor, listens to their HV, or asks a few questions will pick up the idea that every vaccination carries a small risk of harm.

SMALL risk of harm: there you have it.
Have you ever seen what polio can do to a person?
Or smallpox?*
I have, and it ain't pretty. And I get royally pissed off with the selfish idiots who are happy to rely on the herd immunity around their precious children because parents like me took the SMALL risk of having needles stuck into our babies. Because obviously our children aren't as precious as theirs.

*Yeah, I know, we don't vaccinate against that anymore. Why not? Because we vaccinated it down to nix, a few cultures in a few labs. It's a horrible disease.

Hazle The GSK report as a paragraph about each of, I think 12 or so infant deaths. It is harrowing, regardless of the cause of death.

I have the patient information leaflets for every vaccine my son had as a baby. They are given as standard and you have to sign to give consent for the vaccination.

But every drug has side effects. My son takes at least one drug which lists a possible (very rare of course) side effect as death. But realistically stopping it would be much riskier!

If you worried about the side effects listed with any drug you would never give any medication. But of course we do we balance up the pros against the potential risks and in most cases it is a safe decision, and much safer than not using the drugs.

If lets you say there is no case for concerns to link the vaccine with death, then why might I ask

• this document be confidential to the Regulatory Authority? Why does the Dr Puliyel who published his findings on the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health PubMed, ask to make his report confiential? Why do one need to rely on Italian court need to make this document public? Surely if there was no link to SIDS or any other long terms chronic health problems, it would be out there as proof to everyone to download and read, to prove vaccine cause no harm. Why do one need to rely on Italian court need to make this document public?

• Starting from page 66. Why are there cases of death of babies after receiving the vaccine. And there are babies in there who have no history of any medical problems, and the only thing which they all did was take the vaccine. If it had no significance, then why is it in there? Word count (sarcasm?)

That's why I cried. It was the same sort of story I always heard at my nephews carehome from other mothers who believes their child was vaccine injured.

MehsMum - If your not going to go through the thread and then make a comment, which I have already answered to, then you are right, this life is too short. Please move on.

The trhread Tue 20-Jan-15 00:48:41 was a repose to HazleNutt

Sidge - Thanks for your comment. This thread is talking about why arent we being told by our medical professionals. And also if you refer back to the first page, when reports like this come out, how come the media goes silent on it. If there is any report it is just a real glance over, and you have to be paying attention to acknowledge it. How let compare it small outbreak of mumps, it is plastered across every mainstream news channel and there are follow up stories for a week or so. And the only media outlet who will pick up on reports like this, are the tin foil hat brigade websites. When you actually look at who is on the board od these websites, they arent some dumbbo. There are people in the industy like GP/MD, neurosurgeons, bio-medical scientist etc... Surely these people know what they are talking about. Because if they dont and they are spreading false info, big phama will get their lawyers on the case to shut them down and revoke their licences.

This news report was only an example of one of the many reports of vaccine damage/ incriminating reports regarding the vaccine manufactures.

Well said, OP.

It was not aknowledged because it was not true in the first place. Children very sadly die all the time , there are still 150,000 dying every year of measles that dont make the papers.
Vaccines scares do make the paper, wakefield was headlines for a long time. In the 70s it was whooping cough, recently it was the girl dying the same day as her hpv, except she had undiagnosed cancer and nothing to do with the vaccine.
You need to learn to discriminate what your reading and not fall for the nonsense on the tin foil hat sites .

Oh dear. 'Big Pharma'. The tin foil hat brigade accuse Ben Goldacre of being 'Big Pharma' even though he's written an ENTIRE BOOK against their techniques.
Vaccination is better than the alternative. My uncle's education suffered hugely due to him spending time in hospital with TB.
Correlation does NOT equal causation.

And mumps regularly killed children in the western world before vaccination, it was also the leading cause of deafness.

"This thread is talking about why arent we being told by our medical professionals. And also if you refer back to the first page, when reports like this come out, how come the media goes silent on it"

And, as numerous posters have pointed out

A) direct experience shows that we are told, and the info is also on the NHS website. I agree that your HCPs were incompetent, but that does not nake all professionals incompetent.
B) the media probably stayed silent because the report shows that overall the SIDS rate is the same or lower amongst immunised babies than the unimmunised. The media rarely caiures good news stories.

As rafa points out, choosing a random comparator is not a good starting point.

Have your DNephew's parents been told unequivocally that his medical conditions are due to the vaccination, or have you just assumed that?

I do feel for your family, and the other parents at the care home that you mention, but just because they believe their DC were injured by vaccinations, doesn't make it true. Just because A follows B, doesn't necessarily mean that B causes A.

OK, I agree that reading about babies dying is distressing, no matter what the cause.
However, the risk that an unvaccinated child is infected, seriously injured or killed by any of the diseases we vaccinate against, is significantly greater than risk of vaccine injury. So I still don't understand why one would 'do their research' and choose the riskier behavior. It's exactly like reading about seat belt injuries and therefore choose to not use them at all.

becuase of some child dies from an illness but also fails to disclose other underlying health conditions of the child

Previously healthy children catch diseases & die from them. There isn't always an underlying illness.

But if it helps you believe that measles, mumps, polio, chicken pox etc, only kill children when they have otehr illnesses, go ahead.

I try not to be so naive!

My friend came so close to losing her child due to a vaccine preventable disease, because she doesn't vaccinate. Her child was almost lifeless when she went to wake her. She spent several days in hospital recovering.

No underlying illnesses. Just a vaccine preventable disease.

but we arent told that vaccines have a risk and that we should do our own research before making the decision C'mon op...I don't know what my IQ is, but as a first (and second time) mother, I KNEW (instinct, wanting best for my children) I should do my research before having a cocktail of drugs inserted into my child. It's common sense, not one person told me to do it. I asked my dr, the practice nurse, friends who had gone through their own process, medical professionals I worked with. Sorry, but it isn't rocket science. And you are comparing it to researching car seats, I can't believe anyone would research car seats/prams etc & not bloody vaccines.

Your posts don't add up.

but I am more than capable of computing the info I am given. Again, makes you more than capable of checking out the info about vaccines. The papers probably weren't realised (is there any link to the ACTUAL paper, by the source, or just facts made up by anti vax sites) because in all honesty, there was no obvious link found in any of the post mortems. If there were, there would have been tests carried out on the vaccine & for that time frame, the distribution of it would have been halted.