New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism!

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Has anybody come across this in the news? Maybe it's not newsworthy enough! healthimpactnews.com/2013/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again/

:) Paul Offit said a baby could handle 10,00 vaccines at once. Lying or incompetent?

I have such respect for Andrew Wakefield. Have you read Callous Disregard? I strongly recommend it.

He's lost so much - not like these profiteers associated with drug companies who make millions out of selling patient safety down the line. I'm so glad he's got funding and support in the US. It's a shame we've lost him to the UK.

To be honest I don't know what your beef is, or why you even think he's lying. You don't think mumps monovalent vaccines caused adverse effects either. So why do you think he's either lying or incompetent?

Vaccines have side effects. The side effects of mumps monovalent vaccines are well documented. Wakefield claimed there aren't any (to promote singles over MMR) - I think he is lying, but of course, there is always the possibility that he doesn't know his stuff.

Wakefield lives in a HUGE multimillion dollar house in Texas (briandeer.com/solved/images/slapp-introduction-house.jpg). He has a 900 square foot bedroom, 6 bathrooms, a gym, a pool, 5 acres of land (which, granted, would probably cost less in Texas than in the UK). In any case, for a man who "has lost so much", he is doing very very well, I'd say.

So you don't think that all vaccine reactions would happen anyway?

And re; Wakefield. I'm glad he's doing well now. He was separated from his family for a long time, lost his job and his reputation, everything seemed in ruins for him. And at any time he could have said : "I withdraw my fears about MMR" and it would have been fine for him. But he's a man of such honesty - he knew what he'd seen and found, and he had a duty of trust to his patients and their parents. He still has their respect. Of course you know that they did not file the complaint against him - most unusual.

Can I just ask for your clarification Catherina: are you acknowledging that vaccine damage does happen - that is, vaccine damage which would not otherwise occur without the vaccine trigger?

Thanks.

of course I acknowledge that, Crumbled. That doesn't mean that intractable epilepsies are "vaccine damage" (even the cases that have been compensated as such), but aseptic meningitis after mumps vaccine for example is most often caused by the vaccine (also the single, Mr Wakefield ;) ).

Catherina: you seem previously to have difficulty acknowledging that. I think you have, however, bowed to the inevitable.

The problem is that not only did Labour ensure the need for all these school places, not only did they not plan new school places, they also ensured that the funds for new school places when they eventually left power were not there. There was no money left. The government is doing what it can: it was left a complete pig's ear of a mess with education and funding and is trying to do the right thing.

Oh dear.

CatherinaJTV - I would rather talk about the actual research in the OP as I think it is interesting but it seems this thread has now been reduced to mudslinging against Wakefield.

Could you please link to or quote (in context) where Wakefield said that "single mumps vaccine had never caused adverse effects".

Hogwash, Crumbled. I find it highly irritating that you keep spreading false allegations about things I may or may not have said in the "so when did you stop beating your wife" fashion.

BC: We discussed this here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/vaccinations/1388639-Video-of-Dr-Wakefield-speaking-at-the-annual-meeting-of-the-Association-of-American-Physicians-and-Surgeons-This-story-IS-going-to-come-out

Why do you keep saying hogwash when it's plainly not? I appreciate that it might be an enjoyable personal vent but I made a direct point about all vaccine reactions would happen without a vaccine trigger you deflected it.

But Beachcomber demolished your point on a previous thread - at length.

CatherinaJTV - could you quote what Wakefield actually said and perhaps be good enough to tell people at what point he said it during the video so people can listen for themselves with context.

About 3:20 Beach

Catherine this is from
cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/45/4/459.long Journal of Clinical Infec Diseases]]

Jeryl Lynn.Jeryl Lynn, the only mumps vaccine strain used in the United States, is derived from a patient's throat isolate [29]. It contains 2 viral populations, which is probably an advantage. The strain is very safe, as shown in extensive reactogenicity studies using monovalent mumps [30] or combined MMR vaccine [31]. Aseptic meningitis, the Achilles' heel of mumps vaccines (vide infra), has never been documented to be caused by Jeryl Lynn [32] (albeit, in 1 case in Germany, it was claimed to have done so [33, 34]). Long-term follow-up studies with Jeryl Lynn?containing MMR vaccine [35,36?37] confirm the general safety of that vaccine.

Journal of Clinical Infec Diseases link CID

He specifically says Jeryl Lynn strain, never associated in documented history with the onset of aseptic meningitis.

See the above link for CID study agreeing with him.

yes thanks Crumbledwalnuts. That's what I heard too. Unless Catherina is going to post a quote from further in which says otherwise.

"Wakefield claimed single mumps vaccine had never caused adverse effects. "

So unless you can provide another time contact and another quite, what you said is a lie.

He wasn't just talking about single mumps vaccine and he wasn't just talking about adverse effects.

So drop it or put up another quote where he says what you claim he says.

IIRC Wakefield does mention Urabe single mumps vaccines later on but I don't remember him saying anywhere that "single mumps vaccine had never caused adverse effects" .

I mean it would be a weird thing to say - I'm sure someone somewhere in the world has had a red leg or a sore arm or something worse as a result of a single mumps vaccine.

What time Beach? I like listening to Wakefield!