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Spoons! Support for those with chronic pain & fatiguing illnesses

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Grockle · 03/04/2013 13:48

Spoon Theory here

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magso · 10/05/2013 20:18

Needs therapy I understand the feeling of needing to clean every inch. The first time ds was in nursery when a letter was sent home about hair lice in another child I umm over reacted a little ( and ds was unaffected) but I still washed everything in sight just in case!
Weegie good you got up in the mountains and well done at walking so far. I was up in Cairndorm when I first became ill (pneumonitis -altitude made it worse) and thought I would never get in them again. Since then we have used lifts (in the pyrenees and central massif) or simply driven to passes so I can walk along the flat bit of the ridges (I cannot walk up hill so dare not go down if it means going up again) and then go back for the car to pick up the others.Theres something about mountains, and I don't feel silly using walking poles as they are common place. Well done your DH too!
Grockle good luck with your tribunal. Hope you are getting over your tonsillitis and the chest pain has resolved.
Lisa how are you?
I've been rather offcolour over the last 3 weeks with the lurgy that my husband calls the 100 day cough (better not be!), which has ofcourse gone to my chest, and upset my breathing (always a bit dodgy). Dispite this I got out to buy some cycling compression garments from Aldi whilst they were on special- not exactly fetching (I bought some bright pink short style bottoms) but hoping they might help. I think support tights might work just as well. I bought the compression leg warmers too but I think even the small is too big so will take them back. I always get an awful headache when my breathing is up the creak, but I am hoping to avoid yet more steroids.
Has any one else had any medication for PoTS? I am quite reluctant to try propanolol (which I thought was meant to lower BP whilst I am eating salt like it was going out of fashion to try and stay upright) as suggested by the cardiologist if my breathing is stable enough (it was till I got the lurgy)

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magso · 10/05/2013 21:25

Good luck with the packing and move Lisa. Snap with the green gunk -sigh. Sleep well all.

BreastmilkCrucifiesAFabLatte · 10/05/2013 23:30

Arrrrgh just popping on here to moan. I cant get the DCs to stay asleep and DH is out and I hurt. And out of wine, which is probably a good thing. But on the plus side, I made it to the GP without having a panic attack for the first time in six months...

Solo · 10/05/2013 23:34

NeedsTherapy do you think you all had thread worm? what I mean is, if I get just one I know it; I can feel it . I'm pretty sure that 6 months worth would have been unbearable :(

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 11:48

Ladies, new symptom. Dizziness and feeling uncoordinated. Feel a bit nauseated with the room spinning on after I've turned my head, etc.

Usually don't go to doc with my normal symptoms but should I go back now? GP or consultant?

belleshell · 11/05/2013 12:17

building, whas your pulse. isit fast, slow regular or irregular...i think anything ha causes dizziness should be sorted ou.

Im having a bit of a guil pang..its firs sa in weeks we haven had somehing on, DP has ook his kids ou for a few hours my kids wih heir dad...so im hinking, lile snooze and a big chill but i am riddled wih guil feel like i should do somehing..

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 12:22

Pulse OK. Don't think it warrants OOH but will go/call on Monday if not better.

Belles, it is v important that you rest. You are not a well lady and this an opportunity to catch up a little,. Put the guilt away! Tell it to come back when you are genuinely being lazy!

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 12:44

Plus, belle, if your typing is anything to go by, you REEEEAAALLLYYY need a break. Grin.

belleshell · 11/05/2013 18:45

OMFG that is terrible........im sorry for my morse code stylee message!!

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 19:35

Glad you came back, your typing did actually worry me a bit. Blush

Hope you, um, 'chillaxed' this afternoon. God, I'm so funny. Confused.

NeedsTherapy · 11/05/2013 20:48

Solo, since knowing about it I noticed dd1 scratching a lot how I didn't notice it before Confused and dh admitted he has had some symptoms but thought nothing of it. dd2 is only just 15 months so nappy on all the time and I havent had any symptoms other than sudden and pretty much unexplained weight loss, well not weight loss actually just inch loss, 7 inches in the last 2 months, but then I'm also not eating or sleeping properly and am doing too much. so not exactly unexplained Confused

hope you managed to relax belle

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 20:54

Needs I've never had any weight loss with worms, are you sure that is the cause? I don't think it is common.

fuzzpig · 11/05/2013 21:10

Jeez I'm so glad DH and I are both off tomorrow and DSD is still here to help too!

Today was really hard, I am sure I'm coming down with a cold as the fluey aches have got worse (feels like I've pulled muscles all over) and I felt hot all day although that may just be the weather. Head/throat/nose all horrible. Went to Boots to stock up on sinus capsules and nasal spray. Also gargled with corsodyl (the proper antiseptic one) in the hope it will nip any nastiness in the bud! Feel like a hypochondriac but I need to do all I can to stop things getting bad. Little illnesses can't just be shrugged off by us, can they :(

Grockle · 11/05/2013 21:15

Well done, Breastmilk.

NeedsTherapy, I'd be furious. So sorry you have to clean & scrub when you feel exhausted anyway.

Thinking of you, Fuzz.

Hope you can rest now, Lisa.

Building, I get dizziness a lot & put it down to Fibro/ Menieres. If it is new to you & causing problems, defineitly go back to GP (or consultant if your is willing to see you)

I am meant to be out tonight for a lovely friend's leaving do. I feel very sad that I am in bed. I feel hideous.

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buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 22:13

I think I may not have been eating enough carbs, actually. Feel a lot better after a sweet potato. Blush

buildingmycorestrength · 11/05/2013 23:01

Someone mentioned acupuncture on here a while ago, a, thinking I may try it soon. Can you PM me details if you don't mind? Or just post here if you want. Thank you! Smile

Grockle · 12/05/2013 12:44

I'd love to try acupuncture too. I didn't do it because you can't give blood afterwards but I don't think I can give blood any more anyway so am willing to try it.

I have a date for my tribunal and am now scared. I've started a thread asking for advice. I doubt it'll get any responses because no-one posts on the disabled parents board.

Hope everyone is managing ok today.

I posted this on my FB page earlier, to try to explain a little about what Fibro is like for me. I thought I'd share in case it helps anyone else.

This is a description of what it is like to live with fibro - stolen & adapted from FMAUK

WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ME

  1. My pain - My pain is not like your pain. It is not caused by inflammation. Taking medication does not help me- it might ease the pain a little but it never goes away. Sometimes it is in my joints, sometimes in my muscles, sometimes both. On a good day, it feels like pulled muscles. On a bad day, it hurts to be touched. If you brush past me or poke me & I wince, it is nothing personal, it just really hurts more than you can imagine. My pain is believed to be caused by improper signals sent to the brain, possibly due to sleep disorders. It is not well understood, but it is real.
  1. My fatigue - I am not merely tired. I am often in a severe state of exhaustion. I may want to participate in activities, but I can't. My body does not work the way it should. I CANNOT run or lift things. Sometimes it is hard to put one foot in front of the other. Please do not take this personally. If you saw me shopping yesterday, but I can't help you today, it isn't because I don't want to. I am, most likely, paying the price for stressing my muscles beyond their capability.
  1. My forgetfulness - Those of us who suffer from it call it fibrofog. I may not remember your name, but I do remember you. I may not remember what I promised to do for you, even though you told me just seconds ago. It may be related to sleep deprivation. I do not have a selective memory. On some days, I just don't have any short-term memory at all.
  1. My clumsiness - If I step on your toes or run into you five times in a crowd, I am not purposely targeting you. I do not have the muscle control for that. I cannot walk in a straight line. If you are behind me on the stairs, please be patient. These days, I take life and stairwells one step at a time.
  1. My sensitivities - I just can't stand it! "It" could be any number of things: bright sunlight, loud or high-pitched noises, odors. FMS has been called the "aggravating everything disorder." So don't make me open the drapes or listen to your child scream. I really can't stand it. It hurts.
  1. My temperature - I often feel cold & have goosebumps & shiver, despite being hot & sweaty. It might be a hot day & I'm clutching a hot water bottle. My internal thermostat is broken, and nobody knows how to fix it. There is no cure and no way to ease the symptoms.
  1. My mood - Yes, there are days when I would rather stay in bed or in the house or die. Not being able to live the life you want or the life you had is horrible. Severe, unrelenting pain & sleep deprivation can cause depression. And even if not clinically depressed, it is difficult to feel bouncy and motivated when everything hurts & when you know doing something will cause your symptoms to worsen. Your concern and understanding or simply a kind smile can make a huge difference. Your snide remarks can tip me over the edge. Please don't judge me.
  1. My stress - My body does not handle stress well. If I can't help you or am unable to come out or can't commit to something, I'm not lazy. I cannot manage every day tasks like cooking, cleaning, eating etc let alone additional things. Everyday stresses make my symptoms worse and can incapacitate me completely.
  1. My weight - I may be fat or I may be skinny. Either way, it is not by choice. I can't eat because it hurts. I can't tolerate certain foods. My body is not your body. My appestat is broken, and nobody can tell me how to fix it.
  1. My need for therapy & medicine - If I get a massage, don't envy me - it is very painful. My body is knot-filled. If I can stand the pain, a massage can help, temporarily. Yes, I take handfuls of drugs every day. They aren't a cure. They make the bad symptoms a little more bearable.

  2. My good days - If you see me smiling and functioning normally, don't assume I am well. I suffer from a chronic pain and fatigue illness with no cure. I can have my good days or weeks or even months. In fact, the good days are what keep me going. The fact that I function well some days doesn't mean I don't have bad days. And on a bad day, I am bedridden, unable to get up. I have to crawl to the bathroom, shuffle downstairs on my bottom & crawl back up on my hand and knees. I might survive at work but that uses every last ounce of energy. At home, I often need help to walk and rely on a walking stick or crutches. I am a part-time wheelchair user. I hate needing aids to walk and loathe going out in my chair. But without those things, I wouldn't leave home.

  3. My uniqueness - Even those who suffer from FMS are not alike. What one person suffers is different to another person's suffering. I have pain all over my body which has lasted for a very long time. I may have migraines or hip pain or back pain or leg pain, but I do not have exactly the same pain as anyone else.

I hope that this helps you understand me, but if you still doubt my pain, your local bookstore, library and the internet have many good books and articles on fibromyalgia.

Author's note: This letter is based on communications with people throughout the world, males and females, who suffer from fibromyalgia. It does not represent any one of the over 10,000,000 people with FMS, but it can help the healthy person understand how devastating this illness can be. Please do not take these people and their pain lightly. You wouldn't want to spend even a day in their shoes...or their bodies.

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Grockle · 12/05/2013 13:51

I can't remember if I asked this Blush I know I asked on the food thread but I wondered if any of you take any vitamins/ supplements and have any that actually help? I'm desperate... can you tell?

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magso · 13/05/2013 11:34

Hi Grockle, the sources I have read re.nutritional advise for CFS/FMS all mention Magnesium, Vit D and B vits especially B12. However as the doses mentioned are generally higher than those found in a multivit, it is better to get expert help (as I did -thanks AF) or at least use the guidance in specialised websites or books after checking with your gp (who can check blood levels of D, iron and B12 if needed). I think the theory is that our bodies work less efficiently so need specialised support. I have been working on getting my sleep better, so take magnesium in the evening. I got in a very expensive herbal sleep formula but have not used it yet - i can cope with popping a vitamin/mineral or soaking in an epsom salt bath, but taking a sleeping pill is a step I have not yet managed.
Your FM list is interesting Grockle - I count myself as having CFS and have all those symptoms including the sore muscles and joints. The fatigue itself is painful.
Fuzzpig how is your Nan?
Building I often feel dizzy, hope you are feeling better.

fuzzpig · 13/05/2013 11:55

Magso, where do you get the epsom salts from please?

I am tempted to ask for those specific blood tests. If I can get any supplements prescribed I would definitely take them.

No news on Nan, apparently the doctors only discuss cases once a week Confused so no idea what this mass in her stomach is. My dad is convinced it is cancer although the doctors haven't explicitly said it. However he reports that nan is comfortable and actually a bit happier than she's been for months - she was not eating at home so I think the drip is helping her physically, and also she feels happy that doctors are actually listening and saying 'yes something is wrong'. Dad also overheard her saying to a friend that she is ready if it is her time, IYSWIM. So that's good, I guess. I'm not ready though, I'm scared, I don't want to lose her :( I don't know if I can handle a visit. They are keeping her in although they aren't saying it's really urgent if that makes sense. She was always the one who nobody could believe her age (92) she was strong as an ox until a few months ago. It has been a real shock.

Crap day today, still feel like I'm coming down with something (another reason to feel unsure about visiting) and DH out at his college course, couldn't take DS to speech therapy group or nursery so we are just staying home all day and I phoned in sick for the first time in 5 weeks.

NeedsTherapy · 13/05/2013 12:22

Fuzz boots sell Epsom salts
Sorry to hear about your nan, hopefully you will hear news soon x

magso · 13/05/2013 14:04

Fuzzpig I buy mine from a local chemists/health store that stocks 1Kg bags at about £3. Its cheaper (per bath) than buying the small pots from Boots as you use quite a lot in each bath (half a cup if I remember correctly). I have a pot I transfer some too, which originally contained an expensive scented epsom salts, so is marked in portions for use. I know you can get large bags from online sources but its only worth it if delivery is free or cheap. You can also buy 'magnesium oil' (from health food stores)which is not really an oil but concentrated magnesium salt to spray on the skin before bed. However I find it stings and reddens my skin although this is supposed to be a sign of deficiency so perhaps I gave up too quickly. I do sometimes spray on my skin a while before a bath though.
Fuzzpig so sorry your Nan is ill. When someone has been fit and well its more of a shock.

belleshell · 13/05/2013 17:27

Hi Fuzz sory tohear about your nan.... we think the older family memeber will be about forever dont we... I was in M+S on saturday and an old lady feel down the esculator, im not sure how it happened she was going up but ended up head and face down the esculator, i hel[ed pick her up and sat with her for a while, she was so brave, and it turned out she was 91.... it made me think of my gran she is 84 and has become so frail lately.. she fell on the bus the other week and i just hope she wasnt scared!!

I havent been to work today Sad ive had a painful weekend and spent alot of time in bed.. i stopped my ami last week, restarted it this morning, i didnt think it was helping but obiviously it was. Also been to see GP (waste of time) told him about hot sweats, as my periods are normal its probably not menopause, id explained all about my ami this week and how im feeling today before i mentioned sweat... his suggestion was reduce ami............. so glad i took the energy not to discuss how crap i am feeling...

back to managing this bloody horrible illness my own way!! i did get codeine separate as i am overdosin on the paracetamol side of it atm.

Grockle · 13/05/2013 21:04

That all sounds reassuring about your nan, Fuzz. I know it's scary but I'm glad she is doing better. At least you know she is safe. I don't get this business about drs only discussing cases once a week. Are they really unable to make decisions in between? My MH team do that.

I'm worn out. I have 2 staff out of my team which makes work bordering dangerous. It means 3 of us do the work of 5 & puts everyone's safety at risk. I fear for the children... and also for myself. I have a meeting on Thursday as I have reached my 2nd trigger meeting due to absence. Then next week, I have a meeting with HR.

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