MMR or not, and where to go for single vaccs? Lone parent, would love advice

[missperelman]

hello, i think i have decided to go for single vaccs for mumps and measles for my one year old daughter. i wondered if anyone knew where was best to go for this in London? the childrens immunisation clinic on harley st? is there cheaper, does anyone know? also, would you not bother with rubella until the child itself is of childbearing age. ??
confused as to which way to go, even to have them at all. but i think i will do mumps and measles separately. aaaargh. confused
laura
lone parent

Life's too short to refute every example of misinformation Rosi is posting. I urge you to choose one and google it and from your own conclusions.

The one about polio is particularly interesting.

So you can copy and paste from "whale" how clever - have you ever bothered to find out how accurate the information is?

Rosi you are plucking bits of information from the internet that you obviously have no understanding of. You should have watched Red Nose Day at the weekend and you might have been grateful for the inmunisation programme that we have in this country. The consequences of not having immunisations would be children dying needlesly on a massive scale. Why would any sane person advocate that?

My deluded world to me seems much more honest and real than the success story of vaccination.

"In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )"

Rosi- could you say a bit more about this please? Some facts about the Salk and Sabin vaccines and the differences between them, the number of cases we are talking about and the number of cases before 1961 would be a good start.

Oh, and could you explain why the only countries in the world where cases of polio are rising are places where vaccination programmes have been halted by religious fundamentalists?

The sources are no less reliable than the official sources withholding data and information - meaning lying intentionally.

Could you answer my questions please?

Ah - and where does that statement come from, Seeker?

Are you saying it's not true?

Please will you say some more about the Salk/Sabin vaccines, and the level of polio cases pre and post 1960?

Just a few supporting sentences in your own words explaining would be fine.

'In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" ) '

Rosi7 - that is not what Salk said. He said that the LIVE polio vaccine was a cause of polio. The DEAD one that Salk advocated was and remains a massive, massive lifesaver.

Rosi, are YOU vaccinated? Have YOU ever had polio, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria? Would you want YOUR children to have these terrible diseases? How do you think that smallpox was eliminated?

If YOU are vaccinated then what allows you to deny it to your children? And what allows you to risk other people's children?

There you go, Rosi- specialistsubject's done it for you. Could you now tell us why you think that polio has been practically eradicated since 1960, and why it still only remains a serious problem in countries which are resistant to vaccination programmes?

If it's any help to you missperelman I had single vaccines for DS1 when he was 13 months.

This was because I was scared by rumours of autism, caused by that silly doctor. DS1 had rubella vac first and then measles vac 5 weeks later.

When it was time for his mumps vaccine, I was informed by the Children's Immunisation Centre that there wasn't any, due to non manufacture in favour of swine flu vaccine. They said they would be expecting a shipment the following year. That never manifested and so he has never had a single mumps vaccine.

When DS1 was 3yrs 4 months, I took him to have an MMR (pre-school booster) and he was fine. So, vaccine- wise, he's covered, but only has had one dose of the mumps.

DS2 has had mmr's both times. I didn't bother with single vaccines with him, as with hindsight, it was a waste of time and money.

Before anyone has a go at me, yes, my DS1 was not fully protected from mumps, but if the autism thing was a real possibility, I would never have forgiven myself. (I did more research into it and thus was happy for DS2 to have MMR both times)

I have spoken to a paediatrician about this, who said that two doses of the mumps vac is recommended, as one dose only causes immunity in about 70% of children. The second dose is to bring that % closer to 95% out of those 30% who didn't get immunity the first time around.

I am still hoping that a univalent mumps vac will become avail, but if not, then in the summer, DS1 will go for another MMR to cover him fully for mumps.

Again, the paediatrician said that I should not worry about him having a 3rd dose of measles and rubella, as they will do no harm.

The point of my story is that I really wouldn't go down the single vaccine route, because you CAN'T get hold of a mumps vaccine in this country. The Children's immunisation Centre still haven't got any. DS1 is now approaching 6 and I won't wait any longer.

If you think about it, thousands of kids have been mmr'd with no serious consequences that have been reported ( as far as I'm aware).
Don't give yourself the heartache of the single vaccine route because it will only cause more injections than necessary.

Of course, you must make your own decision for your child's welfare, but as someone who has done what you're wanting to do, it really is not worth it. Go for the MMR in my opinion.

Specialsubject, I don't do the fear game anymore sorry - neither the blame game. Take responsibility for yourself, get all the vaccinations and be happy - why do you complain about people not accepting that model as true anymore. You are protected - why are you still afraid?

BTW - the only real polio case I personally have come across in my life is a friend of mine who got polio as a child after having been vaccinated. In the process of her illness her mother got ill with polio and died.

I do trust that source more than any official figures, indeed.

rosi Are you old enough to remember seeing children and young people walking around in calipers because they contracted polio. Have you got crap eyesight because you had measles as a child? Do you understand how smallpox was eradicated?

I can answer yes to questions one and two unfortunately. If you seriously don't believe that vaccination hasn't eradicated smallpox then you are deluded.

Have you ever wondered why you are in a minority? Do you never talk to medical specialists? Are you a medical professional in possession of all the facts in order to enable you to make decisions about your children's health?

Bunbaker, everybody has to make a choice which path to follow. I made the choice for a change 25 years ago when my first child at that time was ill and it did not improve with the orthodox path. I had good results - why should I go back?

In more than 25 years of experience with my four children I have learned so much - I came across such a huge variety of effective healing methods. Tell me, why on earth should I choose the one model bearing so many risks?

The world is so much wider - we do have so much potential as human beings. And I do truly wonder why I am a minority - there is so much to miss if you do not know about it because you are limited to a tiny little world of fear filled with pills and vaccines.

Yawn!

popcorn anyone?

well thanks all. i can't seem to form sentences around this, except to say thanks.t eh goldacre article is good. he's a good crossover - scientist/journalist... perhaps one of the only really good ones . thanks again everyone

Interesting that rosi avoids addressing any questions about her "facts".

Why is polio practically eradicated in all parts of the world except those where vaccine programmes are resisted for religious reasons?

Why was polio rampant until 1961, then rapidly declined?

The problem is weeding out unbiased articles on the internet, which is why I always talk to a medical professional if I have any concerns about vaccinations.

I just find the scattergun approach of the anti-science brigade so irritating I always engage, both on here and in real life. And I almost always regret it.

I just hate people like Salk being misrepresented- he did such an amazing thing and having his achievement rubbished like this is heartbreaking.

How on earth do you find an unbiased medical professional though? Every single one I've tried to ask about this goes into autopilot when the word 'safe' somes up and reels off the same identical diatribe about thingy being discredited and all that. They have a script, just like HVs do on co sleeping - they can be in serious trouble if they tell you anything different.

So who do we trust?