MMR or not, and where to go for single vaccs? Lone parent, would love advice

[missperelman]

hello, i think i have decided to go for single vaccs for mumps and measles for my one year old daughter. i wondered if anyone knew where was best to go for this in London? the childrens immunisation clinic on harley st? is there cheaper, does anyone know? also, would you not bother with rubella until the child itself is of childbearing age. ??
confused as to which way to go, even to have them at all. but i think i will do mumps and measles separately. aaaargh. confused
laura
lone parent

I don't feel very trusting towards my own GP, who was totally unaware of the risk of stopping breathing in infants when given the 8 week vaccinations.

It is in the leaflet FFS

I asked her prior to the jabs, she said never heard of that. He had the jabs and then I realised it was printed in the insert she'd given me presumably without bothering to read it.

Thankfully he is Ok but I have read of other babies who were not.

How is this something I can trust

You're read of babies who stopped breathing after their 8 week inoculations? Could we have a link please?

There is a listed risk of apnea in preterms Seeker.

Bruffin, I felt exactly the same when I saw the boy with tetanus on Comic Relief. Watching the queue of desparate mothers waiting for the chance to give their children the vaccine made me think of all the heated debates here on mumsnet about whether or not to vaccinate. We are extremely lucky to have the privilege of choice but if we all decided to abandon vaccination, I wonder how long it would be before previously wiped out diseases (in this country) returned.

There is for practically any procedure in a pre term. Rooney certainly implied, if not actually said, that she knew of babies who had died immediately post vaccination. Which needs backing up on a thread that people might come to looking for facts.

Yes I read about it about a fortnight ago - the baby didn't die at that point, I cannot remember if he died at a later date. But he stopped breathing and needed CPR and was taken to hospital.

I can't remember where I read it or I would link.

So if you have no details and can't remember anything about it, it's a bit alarmist, don't you think? On a tread where a moth is seeking information?

I didn't intend it to be alarmist. I was myself alarmed though to find how little my GP knew about the side effects.

apnea is a risk in infants that were born >70 days prematurely, so 30 weekers or younger.

Not so alarmed that you can remember where you read about this baby stopping breathing a mere two weeks latr?

That doesn't even make logical sense Seeker.

You were really alarmed about something.

You read something that confirmed your reason to be alarmed.

But 2 weeks later you can't remember any of the details or where you read it.

My point is that you can't just fling "oh, I read about it somewhere so it happened" on a thread which is going to be read by people looking for information- not just the OP. Rooney was talking about 8 week vaccinations, not MMR anyway- and implied that a baby had recently died of apnea. Which is irresponsible unless she can present the facts.

I got the impression op changed her mind and was going to talk to her gp.

While the Cochrane review expressed a need for improved design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, it concluded that the evidence of the safety and effectiveness of MMR in the prevention of diseases that still carry a heavy burden of morbidity and mortality justifies its global use, and that the lack of confidence in the vaccine has damaged public health.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

You've no more qualification on this subject than I have as far as I'm aware, Seeker, yet you're presenting your views on it as strongly, if not moreso than I am.

I have already stated I do not know if the baby, or babies I read about died, I cannot remember where I read the article, and if anyone reading the thread wants to google it for themselves I'm sure they will find stories and examples all over the shop of people who consider that their children have been adversely affected by vaccines.

I don'tthink I am being at all irresponsible and in any case what does it matter whether I have a photographic memory for web addresses or not - do you really need to read it for yourself to believe that I saw it?

because that does appear to be the point that you are labouring here.

No, I don't have any more qualifications than you- for all I know I have less. And I am labouring the point because this subject is seething with rumours and gossip. You raise the case of a baby who stopped breathing after its 8 week vaccinations-not MMR. Potentially alarming for any undecided parents reading- and completely without foundation or background.

I apologise if I have alarmed anyone - I myself am unsure whether to go ahead with the second and third vaccs. I'm not in any sort of position of authority. I'm as clueless as the next person.

But I didn't realise when I was reading whatever it was a couple of weeks back that I'd be required to produce it as evidence when writing about my GP's minimal knowledge of the side effects mentioned on the leaflet.

There's hysteria on both sides, I take neither - my take on it has for a long while been that none of us is given enough information with which to make an informed decision, and this results in a lot of infighting, which neatly takes any pressure off the powers that be while we busily throttle one another.

Don't be unsure, Rooney- I'm old enough to remember polio, we really, really don't want to go back there.

www.nidirect.gov.uk/immunisation_for_babies_up_to_15_months.pdf
"Very rarely, a vaccine may cause an allergic reaction, such as a rash or itching affecting some or all of the body. Even more rarely, children may have a severe reaction within a few minutes of the immunisation, causing difficulty breathing and possibly collapse. This is called anaphylaxis. A recent study has shown that one case of anaphylaxis is reported in about half a million immunisations given. Although allergic reactions can be worrying, treatment leads to a rapid and full recovery."

Is that alarmist?

No because it shows how rare the reaction. It is in perspective. Although that isn't the reaction Rooney is talking about.
If we are talking about mmr a recent study found a disproportionate risk of anaphylaxis in single to mmr. I can't find the study at the moment but will try and link later. Even so it was an incredibly rare reaction.

No, that's not alarmist. Everyone knows that the are side effects to everything sometimes.

But that is a proper measured, records, documented side effect. Not "I read somewhere that a baby died. i think. Or maybe it didn't. But anyway, I read it. Somewhere."