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VACCINATIONS - anyone opted out, but not into homeopathy?

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squigglepuss · 13/03/2006 21:07

Are there any mums who have decided not to vaccinate their children, but who are not into homeopathy? If so, I would be interested to hear your approach to health.
Also anyone who has opted to give their child a few vaccines but not the whole lot.
Please don't respond with general arguements FOR and AGAINST vaccinations as I'm familiar with both opinions - just interested in the middle ground. Thanks

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Heathcliffscathy · 15/03/2006 10:46

no she is \link{http://www.aneducateddecision.com/\here} and i have to trek to redhill!

lockets is yours great, would be interested if she was....the journeys and cost are a pain tbh.

xx

ruty · 15/03/2006 10:58

the diseases that worry me [and that no one would want their child to get] are the meningitis ones. I know some anti vaccine opinions think that children may be more susceptible to meningitis when their immune system is challenged [too many vaccines for example] but that is very hard to prove. Again it is a potentially inflammatory subject. Any opinions here from those who don't vaccinate? [gulp]

Heathcliffscathy · 15/03/2006 11:07

ruty. dare hardly post this not becuase of potentially being flamed but because there may be nothing in this at all and i don't want to tempt fate for ds....but every parent bar none of vaccinated children that i know has had their ds or dd rushed to hospital for unidentified type virus that is suspected of being meningitis, v high fever, listless child, rash....followed by lumbar puncture overnight stay awfulness......this has never happened (thank god and like i say, it could i know) to ds nor to the few other unvaccinated children i know of....i wonder about others' experience on this thread of this....in my gut i'm sure this is to do with vax...but could never prove it....

lockets · 15/03/2006 11:11

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ruty · 15/03/2006 11:13

thanks sophable. i guess what i find difficult is because there are no studies comparing the health of vaccinated children v unvaccinated ones, it is impossible to find out. i wish we could do some kind of informal national survey...

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Kelly1978 · 15/03/2006 11:25

I've got the hv on my back, as the dks vaccinatons aren't up to date. She called round and has been nagging me to register here so that they can be done. dd has had all hers and is up to date, ds hasn't had the mmr and the dts are still due their baby ones. I delayed ds's baby ones and he coped with them a lot better than dd did when she was tiny.

ds has strong autistic tendancies, may be diagnosed with asd next month. I really don't know what to do about his mmr. If he does already have it, then I don't know if it will make any difference or not. If he doesnt have it I'm worrying that it may tip him over. Then I have to think about the dts, who are def not austistic, but I'm not sure if they are at more risk becasue of ds. So I'm in a total muddle!

I can really understand why some people don't vaccinate at all.

amyjade · 15/03/2006 11:33

As a mother of a healthy 19 month old child who died from meningitis i am obviously 100% pro vaccine especially HIB/MENC and the newly introduced Pneumococcal vaccine(Prevener).

I will always wonder 'WHY' my daughter contracted the most deadly form of meningitis.
She was a a perfectly healthy child with no immunity problems, she was hardly ever ill apart from a minor middle ear infection 3 weeks prior to the meninfitis which we think may have been caused by the same bacteria.
So i am very intested in any links or info anyone has on how too many vaccines can compromise the immunity.
I am not her to lecture any of you and in certain cases i agree that some vaccines may cause more harm than good in some children but i just wanted to give new mums who will be reading this the chance to see how in my case a simple vaccination would have saved my little girls life.

ruty · 15/03/2006 11:43

i mentioned your case amyjade in my first post on this thread. as always what happened to you is etched onto my memory. as i said before, there are no studies to prove that too many vaccines can cause or trigger meningits - why there are no studies is a topic for debate. As always, much sympathy to you.

expatinscotland · 15/03/2006 12:01

If I could get my hands on Prevenar I would give it to my daughter. But I cannot. It's nearly £200 privately AND my surgery will NOT provide it to her. Full stop.

As for Hib, we can't get that w/o the 5-in-1.

Unfortunately, however, we don't know what caused DD1s delays, so it's a real conundrum.

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squigglepuss · 17/03/2006 20:23

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Chapsmum · 17/03/2006 20:44

sorry to sound dense squigglepuss, but I dont really understand what you mean by looking for the middle ground arguments, do you mean like giving some jags but not others?

birthfriendly · 17/03/2006 21:15

I'm a homeopath and it really grates on me that people think you can vaccinate homeopathically - you categorically canNOT vaccinate homeopathically. Sorry I know you didn't ask that but it really bugs me that people think all homeopaths are nutters and vehemently anti-vaccine because we're not! personally, I don't vaccinate my children, but what my clients do is entirely their own business and I would never ever try to persuade them not to go the conventional route - my job is to get their kids healthy, not to make them feel bad about whatever decision they've made.

Sorry, know that's not what you asked but I feel very passionate about homeopaths getting bad press! we're not all velvet kaftan wearing, conventional medicine hating hippies!

Sarahx

ruty · 17/03/2006 22:34

you sound like a good homeopath to me Sarah! I jsut don't like ones who claim to know everything about the medical industry without having actually trained as a doctor, but of course that comes down to personality more than anything.

Heathcliffscathy · 17/03/2006 22:36

absolutely birthfriendly. and my vax damaged, non-vaxed kids specialising homeopath would say exactly the same

satine · 17/03/2006 23:01

Sophable - I think I am misunderstanding you:

  • "but every parent bar none of vaccinated children that i know has had their ds or dd rushed to hospital for unidentified type virus that is suspected of being meningitis, v high fever, listless child, rash....followed by lumbar puncture overnight stay awfulness"
Are you saying that every vaccinated kid you know has been rushed to hospital?
Heathcliffscathy · 17/03/2006 23:04

yes

Heathcliffscathy · 17/03/2006 23:06

not saying i know that many but of the (let me count) ten or so kids of ds's age that i know of all of them vaccinated, all of them have had some strange rash/unidentified virus and hospitalisation overnight.

satine · 17/03/2006 23:06

Wow. I can't think of one child I know who has been rushed to hospital for anything other than falls/accidents etc.

Heathcliffscathy · 17/03/2006 23:08

i know. totally willing to accept that it's fluke. but really you don't know anyone that has been into hospital with baby/child with high temp/rash??? that's amazing...where are you? is the water v pure!!!! :)

satine · 17/03/2006 23:11

No - I'm really racking my brain but all I can think of is a friend of a friend whose baby had pneumonia. And I don't know if that baby was vaccinated or not. It's quite a rural, farming community round here - maybe it's all that dung! Grin

Heathcliffscathy · 17/03/2006 23:13

ah yes, the health benefits of dung (seriously) we all know that farming community kids are the healthiest immune system wise....kind of ties in in a way...the exposure to shit (literally) is beneficial....

maybe my london friends are victims of pollution and too much disinfectant....

satine · 17/03/2006 23:17

I know - I reckon my kids have built up a pretty good immune system grubbing around outside around mud, animals etc. Luckily the two local farmers are organic, so I don't have to worry about crop spraying. And although admittedly it's a good excuse, I have always thought that all these cleaning chemicals people gaily spray around must be far more damaging than the germs they're meant to kill!

birthfriendly · 17/03/2006 23:19

Actually now you come to mention it, I hadn't added the two up.

My first child had measles and rubella singles, a month after the measles jab he was hospitalised with suspected meningitis, it was diagnosed as "just a virus". My 2nd and 3rd children have had no vaccines (we changed our mind after the first one, not because of the hospital event as I've never really thought about it) and have never been in hospital or had any weird viruses.

Probably a total coincidence but still interesting nontheless!

Sarahx

getbakainyourjimjams · 17/03/2006 23:22

Sarah- I like homeopaths, I fiddled with training to be one for a while (think now I'm not going to, but am still kind of registered I think). :)

What are your views on tetanus jabs (or not)? That's the one that gives me sleepless nights wondering whether I should try and get something for the boys.