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VACCINATIONS - anyone opted out, but not into homeopathy?

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squigglepuss · 13/03/2006 21:07

Are there any mums who have decided not to vaccinate their children, but who are not into homeopathy? If so, I would be interested to hear your approach to health.
Also anyone who has opted to give their child a few vaccines but not the whole lot.
Please don't respond with general arguements FOR and AGAINST vaccinations as I'm familiar with both opinions - just interested in the middle ground. Thanks

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getbakainyourjimjams · 14/03/2006 23:00

it's amazing how much the attitude has changed in the last 30 odd years though isn't it. I remember being off school with measles and being taken by my friend's mum into town with my friend (who was off school with whooping cough!). We went into a deli type place (did they have them in the 70s?) and I put my hand on the counter and my friend's mum shouted "don't put your hand there you've got measles for goodness sake" (I was better but still in the quarantine bit). Can you imagine now? You'd be surrounded by public health officials.

I have a family health book written by a standard consultant peadiatrician- nothing wild or whacky, the edition I have is dated 1989- measles is described as "usually mild". It says you don't need to bother with mealses because you could have a jab, but it doesn't say you should definitely have one, or even that it's a problem if you don't. Of course measles can be nasty, but it usually isn't. Chickenpox can be nasty, but it usually isn't. I know someone who very tragically died from a virus that should have caused a mild illness. I agree that people should focus on what health actually is.

I think the whole selfishness argument is based on a misunderstanding really. It assumes that in giving a jab you put the child under absolutely no risk. Having a vaccine damaged child who will require 24 hour care for the rest of his life I beg to differ (can you see why that argument riles me ;o)

getbakainyourjimjams · 14/03/2006 23:01

sophable you got there before me :o

Heathcliffscathy · 14/03/2006 23:02

katyrocks · 14/03/2006 23:03

i could sooooooooooo let rip tooooooo!!! i used to get so frustrated trying to explain my viewpoint. its years since i discussed this, (kids now 12 and 14), but the passion is still there, I too tend to avoid discussions of this nature for fear of an impending mega-rant, . i can smile about it now though because I don't have that worry any more.

actually i posted a question last night about mmr, since dd wasn't vaccinated and has now reached puberty. not sure of how things lie with that at the mo - bit out of touch lately

katyrocks · 14/03/2006 23:06

they used to have 'chicken pox (etc) parties', when all the mums took their kids round to the poorly persons house to make sure they caught it! how things have changed.....

spidermama · 14/03/2006 23:07

Wow! We haven't actually been attacked for disrespecting the principal of herd immunity yet. I think I'll go to bed while we're on a winning streak.

This will be the thread I don't dare open tomorrow in the interests of stress avoidance.

Night.

CountessDracula · 14/03/2006 23:08

what about the principle of herd immunity?

CountessDracula · 14/03/2006 23:09

(that was a joke btw)

spidermama · 14/03/2006 23:10

At least you spelled it correctly Countess.

Heathcliffscathy · 14/03/2006 23:10

i'd be amazed if this could stay what it is thread wise spider. i'm going to bed too.

:) where i'll be knitting my own tofu (which of course is why i'm not vaccinating cause it could only be that i am some kind of total extreme dangerous hippy nutter....)

katyrocks · 14/03/2006 23:11

tbh, spidermama, I'm surprised we've got away with it thus far night night

CountessDracula · 14/03/2006 23:11

AHEM sophable

katyrocks · 14/03/2006 23:12

night sophable, night john boy.....

Heathcliffscathy · 14/03/2006 23:14

i've got my silver crucifix out cd....back....back stay away.....

and i might be somewhat of a hippy, but i'm neither nutter nor dangerous and i never ever knit my own tofu, i have a machine that does it for me.

CountessDracula · 14/03/2006 23:15

no look at yr msn

Heathcliffscathy · 14/03/2006 23:16

you're not online....weirdo

CountessDracula · 14/03/2006 23:17

i am so

Chandra · 14/03/2006 23:23

We opted for sepVax after severe reactions to early vaccinations. Having a very allergic child and a nephew who is just half allergic than DS but who has autism, I'm seriously considering not to go for the MMR booster at 5 yrs as I initially planned. It may be irresponsible, but I believe DS is one of those children who are in a risk group to develop complications after vacinations. Not very safe in terms of epidemiology but, do not feel like risking it. Now, if I had another child which less sensitivity than DS... well, I would not considere the idea of not vacinating, I just would have gone ahead with them.

WideWebWitch · 14/03/2006 23:24

I just wanted to add my voice to this. Ds has had everything except mmr, he's 8. I didn't know about thimerosil but if I had he wouldn't have had dtp either. Luckily he's fine. Dd has had infanrix (so thimerosil free although had I listened to official advice she'd have been jabbed with mercury) and all other jabs except MMR. So I'm your middle ground too squigglepuss.

expatinscotland · 14/03/2006 23:27

i'm deffo not a knit my own tofu type, but the fact is that i had no idea the UK was still using thimerosol-containing vaccines at the time i had dd1 vaccinated - or that a mercury-free jab was available.

dd1 has had delays in gross motor skills first picked up at her 8 month check, but i noticed them at about 2-3 months.

there is no genetic or medical cause - so far as anyone can determine - for her delays. she still has a 'strange gait' as the paed put it, and she didn't walk until she was 2.

so i wasn't exactly skipping to the front of the queue to have dd2 vaccinated, especially when they tried to stonewall me about the one vaccine i did want: prevenar.

sorry, but i don't trust the establishment for FA and b/c they wouldn't step off i went ahead and wrote them a letter telling them i didn't trust them b/c making nicey nice wasn't working.

Socci · 14/03/2006 23:48

I've seen one of Vera Scheibner's lectures a few years ago. I remember that in one of my health authority books there was a section on immunisation that stated babies who have received their vaccinations are less likley to die of SIDS. Vera Scheibner explained that this was a complete misrepresentation of statistics, and in fact the opposite was true. She also said that an orthodox practitioner had admitted to her off the record that he believed she was right but said he had no intention of deviating from the system.

I agree with what others have said here about the general attitude towards diseases today. It seems the government has succeeded in making people terrified of them. I also tend not to discuss my views on this with anyone in RL because most people I know feel that vaccination is beyond reproach or questioning.

Dd1 had all the infant vaccines (containing mercury). I really regret it and wish I could turn the clock back. I always felt it was wrong for her but I went along with it because I was told that it was in her best interests. It turns out she has autism and I will never know whether the vaccines contributed to her problems (there is nobody in our family with autism or a learning difficulty). I doubt they have done her any favours. Dd2 hasn't had any at all because by the time we had her we felt confident enough to do what we felt was best.

At the moment there are various reasons why I am unhappy about the current practice - having read a lot about it I feel that there are many unanswered questions, I can't find a scientific reason for the schedule being started so early and I also feel there are possible conflicts of interest.

expatinscotland · 14/03/2006 23:51

Socci
My DH is pals w/a SAHD whose middle daughter is also autistic. The first daughter was vaccinated w/mercury-free jabs b/c she was born in Canada. The second got the thimerosol crap. The third is unvaxed. He'll always wonder if those jabs played a role in his middle child's autism.

Socci · 14/03/2006 23:57

It is a horrible thought. I feel that she may have been born with autism but because she was so young when she had the vaccines it would be impossible to tell really. She used to startle in an odd way when she was first born but I remember her smiling at me very early - at about 2 weeks.

Flip · 15/03/2006 07:00

Sorry Franke, went to watch CSI and never made it back to the PC.

I did try that when the notes started coming as he turned one. I phoned up the NHS call centre and told them he wasn't having it done. They said they could only defer it until he was two and then the notes would start coming again. He was only two at the end of November and I've already had six. Just ignore them and her(HV) and dh is oblivious.

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