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Alcohol... long! But your thoughts please!

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Eruditio · 17/08/2012 16:15

I know I drink far too much. I can, over the course of an evening, drink an entire bottle of pinot single handedly. And wake without a hangover. And feel guilty because I know I'm drinking too much!

After the 'usual' drinking of late teens, and through my 20s, unlike most of my friends who settled down to proper 'social' drinking, I didn't. I don't drink a bottle every night, I should add, but I do drink probably 3 bottles a week (21 units?) now, and I feel it's creeping up. I can go a night or 2 without a drink, or maybe just have a small tumbler of beer (with DH). I never drink before 6pm and usually start as I'm making dinner.

I don't actually think my drinking affects my family. I can't ever 'not do something' because I've had a couple (except drive, which of course I wouldn't!). I rarely get a 'swimmy' head (which implies I'm very used to alcohol!). I think I get 'chattier', though. DH, who is very sensible, has never suggested he thinks I'm drinking too much, either, though I can't see why not as he sees the recycling bin! TBH, I would be embarrassed 'admitting' it to him. Also, were I to bring my drinking back to within acceptable limits, I know he'd give me that look every single time I picked up a glass for the rest of my life. He would mean well but I would feel eternally patronised.

What I would like to do is go to the GP and get some liver function tests but as others have noted here, you really don't want 'alcoholic' on your medical record unless you have to as yes, it IS a label! A friend of mine recently was initially 'refused' cover by her husband's work private health scheme due to someone misreading a form about her drinking! I am very aware of the potential health risks- increased risk of cancer, of dementia, of being a gagga old lady instead of an involved grandmother (though my DSs are in their teens), and so forth but, here in my late 40's, I can't make that feel real. And the thing is, if LFTs came back as 'normal', I know I'd treat that as a green flag to keep on drinking as I can! (My mother is a life long very heavy smoker who is fighting fit at 80- she 'got away with it' though I know alcohol and nicotine are 2 very different drugs!)

I drink because I like the feeling that first glass and a half gives, I like the pointy edges of life slightly smoothed, but of course, once you've had that 1 1/2 glasses, your guard is down, so the 3rd glass 'won't hurt'... I am a bit anxious, but by no means 'clinically' so. I like to know that, as 5pm comes around and I only have 45 mins more of chaos at work, that nice cold glass of pinot is awaiting me at home as I sit in the garden with DH and debrief about our days (he'll have a bottle of real ale). I have a couple of friends who also drink to excess (ie the same as me). I don't see much of them socially, but when we do we we tend to have a bit of a bender (once every 2 months?).

I really want to drink less not abstain. I don't want AA- sorry, I know people who have tried it and they tell stories of 'submitting to higher powers' (??) and of being at meetings with quite scary people who are waaay out there, not 'nice, middle class professionals' (as they see themselves) who know they're overdoing it but find slowing down wasn't as easy as they thought it would be! People who worry about the effects of alcohol on them medically, not socially, iyswim. One did 2 meetings before realising she felt a bit of contempt for most of her fellow AA goers; one drank cans of lager in bed of a morning, one's DH had walked out taking the DC when she was in the midst of an out of control alcohol fuelled outburst. This is what they've said, not my experience as I haven't been and probably wouldn't.

I am thinking I am going to try choosing given days a week to be completely alcohol free, at least every other day. I am thinking I will buy miniatures (Asda or Tesco are doing 4 for £5 right now!) and only chill one (I wouldn't necessarily drink warm pinot!!).

What do you all think?

Are you thinking 'Delusional!' she's a raging lush and is 'no better' than the people her acquaintances have described at AA, just less far down the road. My 'defence' would be that I'm only repeating what was said, that what I've heard about AA requires the 'belief' in a higher power which just isn't 'me', and that I don't judge such folk, but I also know that if their experience was so very different from my own, I wouldn't be able to relate at all, that's all.

Are you thinking it's impossible to pull back from 'a (fair) bit to much' to 'less', are you thinking I need to undergo Cognitive therapy?

Helpful responses welcome, ta!

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higgle · 17/10/2012 13:29

Alcohol consumption is a risk factor for breast cancer - as is the being over weight that goes with all those extra calories ( for some people). Could you stop drinking in the week? We only drink on Friday and Saturda nights, but I onoy ever have one glass because I'm not that keen on the taste of wine.

poodledog · 24/10/2012 18:38

Eruditio, what a huge achievement! 32 days! I look forward to hearing how you get on with drinking in moderation. Last year I managed 5 weeks without a drink and hoped I could go back to drinking in moderation. I'm ashamed to say that unfortunately this hasn't happened for me and if the bottle is opened I still can't stop at one glass :( I think I should give it another go. I remember those 5 weeks as being quite empowering.

ClareMarriott · 25/10/2012 16:14

Eruditio Having read all the threads since your original OP there appears to me to be a number of bald facts. You were in your late teens when you started having a drink and now in your late 40's, you are still drinking. That's 30 years of drinking in same way shape or form. Although you have said in a number of your posts that you were looking at ways that you could moderate your drinking it was only when you went away with your 2 friends that you actually took up the 32 day drought after which you celebrated with a drink or two. You mention very briefly discussing your drinking with your DH and what his comment was , but in truth has he got ground down seeing you this way and has your child seen you any other way.? Have you thought about how you want to live the rest of your life ? Perhaps you should arrange to go away with your DH and discuss it.

Eruditio · 25/10/2012 19:47

Back agin!

marriott- yes, there are a lot of 'bald facts'- that's why I put them all down, as I'm not trying to fool anyone, least of all myself, that yes, my alcohol consumption has crept up and had reached a plateau of 'habit' but a habit set at an unsustainable level. I know what DH thinks and frankly, it wouldn't be helpful for me to try and persuade him that actually I'm an out-of-control lush despite the evidence to the contrary. I can assure you that he is in no way shape or form being 'ground down' by seeing me with 2 or 3 glasses of wine on board. I wonder at what imagery of me you have conjured up? But you'd have to believe me that you actually wouldn't know I'd been drinking. Which maybe in itself is an issue- I can handle my drink all too well! With respect, you are projecting, here. The idea that I was 'in my late teens when I started drink am- gasp- still am in my late 40s!- is hardly shocking, really. I think you'd find this is in keeping with a vast swag of the population. This is why the middle class alcohol problem is such a big one- it can be well hidden, and many people involved would refuse to see that their habitual, 2/3 of a bottle a night, every night drinking was a problem. But I do which is why I have chosen to address it.

I have indeed pondered many ways of sustainable moderating my intake- and I hadn't planned 'the drought' at all- it came about as the result of Friend A 'going off on one' and needing support. I did most of my 'thinking' about moderation whilst not drinking at all. Not drinking at all was fairly useless to me in assisting me towards my goal of more moderate drinking. It didn't prove much except the knowledge that a) I could do it and b) that the 'habitual nature' triggers of my drinking reduced over the 32 days, which I guess is useful in itself.

The reality is that yes, we all know that The Answer is never to touch a drop of the demon drink at all. But I am a realist. I like the odd drink. I also acknowledge that if it transpires I can't drink in moderation, yes I have to consider that option. I am at a 'halfway house', if you like.

I recognise from your post that you genuinely believe that I need to take a Good, Hard Look at myself (Q: 'and you celebrated with a drink or 2'), but I believe that, with my OP, I have. That what I am is maybe abhorrent to you if not actually disgusting- and I get that, especially if 'alcohol problems' impinge on your life but believe me, I am fooling no one, including myself.

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Eruditio · 25/10/2012 19:47

higgle - I love the taste of wine! Grin.

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ClareMarriott · 25/10/2012 22:18

Eruditio Each person has to live their own life but I added my thread bearing in mind that one of my sisters used to drink to help herself cope with her life and I was with her, 11 years ago in a hospital room watching her husband die of liver failure due to drink. I know what it is to live with someone with a drink problem. All I hoped I was saying was to open your eyes to the fact that drink seems to have been a part of your life for a long time. Because you started drinking in your teens you will probably have built up a tolerance to alcohol so you drink the same amount and perhaps more to give you the same level of feeling good about things. You don't see yourself as an alcoholic and "will only drink when I mean it " but you think of the glass of wine that awaits you when you get home. Do you REALLY know if your drinking has affected your husband and children? As I said in my previous post , you seem undecided about going for liver function tests, you don't think AA would be of benefit to you but that you can work out your own way of moderating your intake. Ok, prove that to yourself ( don't bring in the rest of the population ) because some way down the line you may well have to have those liver tests and you may find alcoholic written on your medical records

ppeatfruit · 26/10/2012 10:15

This is an interesting thread Eruditio One of the best things I read about alcohol was that it is "no respecter of motives" It is an addictive poison and as we get older our bodies get more sensitive to everything we drink and eat esp. booze.

We live between France and England so you can imagine what the expat life is like! Also the fr. our old neighbour was such a depressed alky he hung himself last year.

I haven't drunk alcohol for ages (i'm not an alcoholic I just hated the hangover I had when I'd had just 2 glasses of wine) so I prefer not to drink at all. DH is quite a different matter though; he goes off it for Lent every year and thinks he's not dependant but the Easter meal when he breaks his 'fast' has to be seen.

An O.P. recommended milk thistle and artichoke supplements for you; that's a good idea 'cos you sound like you're still detoxifying if you're waking up feeling 'hungover'. Also look at upping your EFA intake to balance yr female hormones.

EdsRedeemingQualities · 26/10/2012 10:28

From your OP it doesn't sound as though alcohol is affecting your ability to lead a normal life.

You're not drinking during the day, drinking and driving, becoming abusive.

You're not having to lie to hide it.

Ds's father is an alcoholic though he will never admit it. He's had to have counselling and go on some kind of awareness course because he was caught drinking and driving a few years ago. He spent years before that doing the same, but was not caught.

He often claims to have 'turned it around' and 'stopped drinking during the week' and so on - all these compromises, so he doesn't have to give it up, because to him that would be a social disaster - he'd feel like he had really failed as a human being if he allowed himself to be 'told' never to drink again.

I can see what he means, the stigma is pretty horrid, but then, his drinking has in the past seriously affected his ability to function. His job, his relationships and so on have all been affected negatively - he's lost contact with our son, for several months, because of it (he turned up drunk to see him - I sent him home and we didn't see him for ages, ds's choice, not mine or his father's - but I fully supported it).

So I can see where you're coming from.

I don't drink at all - I'm boring like that, apparently Smile - and to me it isn't a stigma, but then, I feel I have the choice. Not having the choice is different.

I hope you manage to find a way to cut down so you are not worried by your own drinking. But to me you don't sound like you're in the depths of a serious alcohol problem - maybe just on the edges, and it's possible to go on for years like that without it damaging your life too much.

EdsRedeemingQualities · 26/10/2012 10:32

Oh and I have other issues - I'm not saying, look at me, I don't need to drink, I'm great.

I have an eating disorder instead.

Ds's father often tries to compare it to his drinking, well, in some ways yes. In other ways no - and I don't tend to lie or get arrested over it, unlike some people...!

It's possible to overcome/control your own issues I think and as long as you're working on it, it's not affecting other people and so on, then you are doing your best.

Eruditio · 26/10/2012 10:53

"You don't see yourself as an alcoholic and "will only drink when I mean it " but you think of the glass of wine that awaits you when you get home. Do you REALLY know if your drinking has affected your husband and children?"- you're mixing up two things here: The 'will only drink when I mean it' is the moderated drinking, the 'I am now choosing to have this glass of wine at this time' drink; whereas the "thinking of the glass of wine when I get home" is the habitual drinking I am stopping.

I do understand where you're coming from because you have seen serious, real alcoholism first hand, you have seen it seriously affect people close to you but you mustn't therefore assume that all drinkers are actually raging alkys with families secretly heading off to AlAnon! How would I REALLY know anything like 'how it's REALLY affecting my family' except via the tests we use to validate anything? Like talking, observing, asking, evaluating?

I am 'undecided' about LFTs for several reasons, one being they only show positive when you've got a serious problem (and I know myself well enough to realise that a negative test, like a couple of pounds weight loss when on a diet could have the opposite effect!) and 2, no I don't think I need alcohol written in my notes anywhere, not now and hopefully not ever.

As I've said, I have gone 32 days without a drink and have only drunk moderately since. Well, isn't that me starting on the road to 'prove' to myself that I'm not an alcoholic?

As for still feeling 'off' when I wake up- well, I honestly believe that to be the result of being peri-menopausal (rubbish night's sleep!), having a snoring husband and permanent sinusitis! I felt far worse towards the end of the 32 days than at the start! Grin- though I shan't discount the possibility that it's detox (did I read a total liver detox takes 6 weeks?)!

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ppeatfruit · 26/10/2012 11:06

Sinuses are affected by dairy and alcohol! try sniffing some eucalyptus ess. oil or Olbas oil. Sorry to sound like a doctor Grin I DO these things for myself and family and have studied health for a long time!

ClareMarriott · 26/10/2012 12:42

As you asked for helpful responses to your original post I was only offering you my opinion about what you were talking about. Whether anything I have said rings true with you , only you will know. It's still you and your relationship with drink and at the end of the day it's how YOU deal with it. I've said enough and will say no more

Eruditio · 26/10/2012 16:06

Sorry, marriott but if I'm honest, I found your post a bit patronising, like I am so far gone as a hopeless lush I can't see the wood for the trees, like it's obvious that my drinking is affecting my family but I choose not to see it, and I've said that is categorically not the case, so, no, it doesn't 'ring true' and yes, I know my relationship with alcohol is personal to me, as is everyone's. Even AA requires you to choose how to deal with it, doesn't it? But I do not feel AA is for me for the reasons I have already outlined at length.

I feel I can assure you that I won't be dying of liver failure due to alcohol! And yes, I am a HCP so I do know about LFTs, fatty livers, cirrhosis and ALD. I also know what a 'label' 'alcoholic' is on a person's notes!

Thank you for your input.

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EdsRedeemingQualities · 26/10/2012 17:52

Well I feel like my posting was a waste of time. But then maybe it wasn't useful.

Eruditio · 27/10/2012 14:31

Why do you feel it was a waste of time, redeeming?

I read everything everyone has posted and yours, in fact, was helpful in that you feel where I'm 'at' is different to someone who is in denial and hiding their drinking. And I certainly don't consider 'not drinking' as 'boring'. It's a choice and one anyone is welcome to make, isn't it?

And I don't see an eating disorder as being like an alcohol addiction, either. You can decide never to drink alcohol again and be 'fine' whereas you can't go 'cold turkey' on food!

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EdsRedeemingQualities · 27/10/2012 16:54

Oh that's good. It was just that you wrote such long replies to Claire and not to the rest of us, iyswim - it was hard to know if anything had been helpful.

Glad if it was and best of luck.

Eruditio · 27/10/2012 17:18

Grin no, marriott just rattled my cage a bit hard on that occasion!

Hope you are finding a path through your eating problems, too!

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bonhomiee · 27/10/2012 17:56

Hi Erduditio
Juste wanted to agree with you that LFT will only be abnormal( apart from maybe GGT) when cirrhosis is becoming a real risk.
I thin it's hard to cut down on treats when we work hard and deserve some respite but thats the sad reality.!. Am cutting down on my calories ATM as I don't drink but it's the same will power required!
Definitely don't go to the GP with this as it stands just cut down or stop drinking altogether apart from holidays or sat nights ec Alcohol health issues show themselves late and so when they do they are irreversible and quite nasty.. I can tell an alcohol excess pt at a 100 paces and it's never good
Good Luck x

ppeatfruit · 28/10/2012 09:20

Sorry folks I'm not a medic. can you tell me what the initials stand for please?

Erebus · 28/10/2012 09:23

LFT- liver function tests
ALD- alcoholic liver disease
GGT- um- not sure- Gamma globulin something?
HCP -health care professional (sorry if you knew that one already)

ppeatfruit · 28/10/2012 09:48

Thanks [hsmile] erebus

WhereAngelsFearToTread · 28/11/2012 15:59

Eruditio, I actually sought this thread out because I wasn't sure what to make of it at first and I've gone through something similar - I guess you posted out of worry?

I was a bit of a binge drinker for a while because (well, I say because, but it's a self justification) of family problems, and have stopped doing it. I would prefer to have alcohol in my life but if it were ever a problem again then I'd have to cut it out entirely.

But I did tell my doctor and I wasn't 'labelled'. It was fine and apparently it hasn't affected anything.

mrsm68 · 06/06/2013 19:01

Eruditio how's it going, would love an update.

BonnieBess · 03/08/2014 23:14

Hi eriditio! Just wondering how you are getting on now?? Have had done musings about my own alcohol habits. Would love to hear an update, thanks.

HopeClearwater · 03/08/2014 23:51

Pickled in her own denial...

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