Aluminium in vaccines

[bumbleymummy]

I thought this might do better with its own thread because the other one went off on a bit of a tangent.

On other threads it has been said that Aluminium is 'safe' in vaccines and that 'the dose makes the poison' .I'd just like to ask a few questions and maybe the people who have made those comments on the other threads will be able to answer them.

What is the 'dose that makes the poison' for Aluminium?

How much Aluminium is absorbed by the body from a vaccine?

We know that Aluminium is toxic and I found this from medscape 'if a significant load exceeds the body's excretory capacity, the excess is deposited in various tissues, including bone, brain, liver, heart, spleen, and muscle. This accumulation causes morbidity and mortality through various mechanisms.' So what is the excretory capacity for a child?

I've tried to find the answers to those questions myself.

Wrt what the toxic dose for Aluminium is I found this on the FDA website :

"Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 [micro]g/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration."

I'm still looking for something that shows what the toxic dose for a healthy infant is. Does anyone else have a link?

Wrt how much Al is absorbed from vaccines. I've found this from medscape :

"In healthy subjects, only 0.3% of orally administered aluminum is absorbed via the GI tract and the kidneys effectively eliminate aluminum from the human body. It is only when the GI barrier is bypassed, such as intravenous infusion or in the presence of advanced renal dysfunction, that aluminum has the potential to accumulate. As an example, with intravenously infused aluminum, 40% is retained in adults and up to 75% is retained in neonates.[4]"

Obviously vaccines aren't given intravenously but they still bypass the GI tract so what percentage is retained? Anyone know?

I've also checked how much Al is in a dose of Pediacel (5 in 1) www.medicines.org.uk/emcmobile/medicine/15257/spc#PRODUCTINFOhere :

"Adsorbed on Aluminium Phosphate

1.5 mg (0.33 mg Aluminium)"

Does that mean there is 0.33mg (equivalent to 330 micrograms) in each dose?

If anyone has answers to these questions, please post them. I'm sure some of you must because you have posted that Aluminium is safe in vaccines. Links to any info are very much appreciated. TIA :)

This article I’ve found when searching about aluminium phosphate in vaccines:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/21/amp/could-this-be-the-most-dangerous-aspect-of-vaccines.aspx

Mama1414
That is a mercola , please do not take it seriously , it is just scaremongering nonsense.

Not at all nonsense. It makes absolute sense as I have three friends. One’s daughter became paralized after vaccine and others’ two sons became autistic.

Aluminium is well documented it cannot cause autism or paralysis

Aluminium is toxic to the human body, this is a fact, especially the brain. It immediately attacks the healthy cells around the injection site. The vaccines have significantly more aluminium than the food standards agency would regard as safe. They used to use mercury. Wow. Now they use aluminium salts instead as the adjuvant. It is merely added to increase the longevity of the vaccine. So the marketing can boast longer alleged protection. It can also permanently alter DNA. After administering aluminium vaccines the recipient has to be monitored for 5 to 10 minutes because its very common to get dizzy and fall possibly because Aluminium causes swelling in the brain. HPV vaccine even reduced dosage from three to two because of the severity of the side effects. This is the research i have found just on the aluminium. interestingly depending on what country you live in you could be given different dosages, even if the countries all come under the WHO. Vaccines are linked to many deaths and life long illnesses world wide. USA paid out 5.2 billion in compensation in one year to their vaccine victims. India banned one vaccine. More countries are following. I am not an expert in any way. This is just a very tiny part of my extensive research into vaccines which may or may not be true. The point is do your own research. Don't be lazy and don't trust strangers in forums. This topic is too important. Everyone's research will be different. You may as well ask "how much aluminium can your child handle". I personally don't vaccinate anymore. Make the right choice for YOUR child.

Some people just make it up as they go along

Here's a good place to start your own investigation.
www.arltma.com/Articles/AlumToxDoc.htm
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886
www.vaccine-side-effects.com/aluminium-adjuvants/

OR... you could just believe pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers in a forum.
Stay curious, doubt is your friend.

What about quoting legitimate sources rather than quack websites. instead Blighty. For instance your 3rd link quotes Fundenberg whose license was revoked.
The second one is by Tomjelvic and Shaw who have been mentioned above and do not do legitimate researc

and the first one just looks like a sales website scaremongering to get people to test hair etc.

legitimate websites

The Oxford Vaccine Group

WHO validated websites

this is not on aluminium but on the causation of adverse effects of vaccines easy to dip into.

"This is just a very tiny part of my extensive research into vaccines which MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE"

"Here's a good place to START your own investigation"

"THE POINT IS do your own research. Don't be lazy and don't trust strangers in forums."

Re-submitted for any others with selective memory.

The WHO you say, with Bill and Melissa Gates the top financial donators. (They donate more than entire member states).The same Gates that hold massive shares in the vaccine manufacturers companies. Those same vaccination manufacturers are immune from prosecution when their vaccines cause harm. Why is that you think. I've heard of diplomatic immunity but not commercial immunity. But that's fine Bruffin you have your own opinion and conclusion.

I have come with an unbiased attitude to all information sources because all information sources themselves can have elements of bias. So i just post my findings and conclusions and hope others will do the same . I would never say my research or opinion is superior to everyone else's. Clearly some disagree and they are the all seeing eye (literally) Wink Wink

You dont have an unbiased attitude though do you. You are going on about conspiracy theories. You are just another dunning kruger, who has no idea what good research or bad research is.

I'm biased for making my own conclusion and appealing for others to find their own conclusion ?

I'm a conspiracy theorist for highlighting conflict of interest ?

Or you've taken my "all seeing eye" pun literal. I was being ironic because people who don't believe everything they're told are regularly called conspiracy theorists. Funny

But to make your own conclusions you need to have the mental capacity and common sense to actually work out what is good research and what is conspiracy nonsense.
None of what you linked to was "unbiased " research

I absolutely agree with you. Any source can be scrutinized and argued against. For instance you quite rightly expressed concern about Fudenberg losing his license. But when you consider that he lost it because he wrongly acquired a regulated substance and not for the work he did or his findings. Actually that's debatable too. He may have lost it for his findings unofficially. Look at the similarities with Wakefield and all the others who oppose the Pharma.

Quote you: "But to make your own conclusions you need to have the mental capacity and common sense"
The government disagrees with you. They believe anyone who is a parent has a right to make their own conclusion. But they would probably like to agree with you and make the decision for parents.

As i keep saying, nothing you or I could source is infallible. We have both proved that here and now. Thank you for confirming my main message. We can tit for tat all day. So the message is let parents make their own mind up. Not make it up for them. But we can air our findings and wish them luck finding theirs.

Ah, I love a good zombie vac thread.

For anyone who might come across this thread: there is no sensible argument against vaccinating your children; the risks of vaccinating are less than from drinking tap water. All the smears against vaccines are put about by cranks.