Reactions to MMR - how long do they last?

[MrsMoppetMama]

My DD (13 months) had her MMR 11 days ago, she had a bad reaction after about 3 days (high temp and trouble breathing) and we took her to urgent care center. Although this has now passed, she seems to be really out of sorts and has stopped sleeping through. Her normal routine was brilliant as she went down from about 7 - 7. Now she is waking every two hours and is very unhappy. Is this normal? is this because of her MMR or is it just a phase? She has also stopped taking her bottle before bed, is it likely that she has weaned herself? Help! It's been pretty easy going with her up to now so a bit stressed by all this.

saintly jimjams I beg your pardon, I didn't mean to belittle your situation by 'bigging up' Elaine. Her refusal to even acknowledge vaccine damage is amazing. But so many people who believe in vaccination get very excitable very quickly and threads degenerate into slanging matches (I have seen some truly horrible people on vax threads, as I'm sure you have), and at least she hasn't started swearing yet...

That is why it was [grudging admiration]

I have never said vaccine damage cannot happen, just that it is very rare. If it happens, it's tragic but it's certainly safer than being exposed to he disease,especially measles.

The scientific evidence is that mmr does not cause autism. I'm sure life with a severely autistic child is extremely challenging and I indeed know very little about living with it. I do understand the need to find a reason, but based on the best scientific evidence, it's not the mmr. That's whats important. Hopefully further research will provide the answers you're looking for.

By the way, it was epidemiological studies which first made the link between smoking and lung cancer and then study After study showed the same thing so eventually the link was accepted. The tobacco companies did much the same thing the anti vax crew do, deriding each study, but when the body if evidence is so overwhelming as with the mmr, you have to begin to accept the findings. know you don't like epidemiology but it's the only way you'll show something empirically at the population level.

I don't think vaccine damage is as rare as you think. It is estimated that 1-10% of cases of vaccine damage are reported (VAERS in USA) so no-one really knows the scale of the problem. Those would be the serious cases. Mild vaccine damage I would think is ignored. How about invisible vaccine damage where child appears well but goes on to develop asthma or eczema? Shouldn't think that gets reported at all.

I wouldn't say in any case, that vaccine damage is safer than being exposed to the disease, especially not in the case of MMR or pertussis vaccine. When it happens to your child, the risk is 100%.
Scientific evidence - is anecdote not evidence? Yes, unless it's inconvenient.

I have never said vaccine damage cannot happen, just that it is very rare. If it happens, it's tragic but it's certainly safer than being exposed to he disease,especially measles.

You are implying that exposure to measles means that you will catch it and will suffer severe side effects including death. That is just not so. Many of us, me included, were exposed to measles, caught it, got better and have suffered no long term effects. By contrast, some of the cases here of vaccine damaged children make for very distressing reading. Given the choice of being ill for a week or so or lifelong damage, I think many would pause to question which is safer.

A bit cheeky, comparing tobacco companies to "the anti vax crew". Tobacco companies are more like Big Pharma, out to make a buck, don't give a toss for any ill-effects of using their product. Don't forget smoking was thought to be good for you at one time, too.
We're just trying to protect people - our children.

La Volcan very true

If vaccine damage is as common as you say, you'd see an associatin between the vaccine and the condition in hand in epidemiological studies sossgies. All the evidence adds up in the same direction - vaccines are one of the safest medical interventions.

Generally lavolcan, if you're not immune and exposed to measles, you will get it. It's highly contagious. Of course, not everyone will have severe side effects but WAY too many will for me to willingly expose my children to it. I'm sorry the cases of vaccine damage make for distressing reading, too bad that death and disability averted don't have quite the same emotional punch which clearly you are basing your decision making on.

I'm sure your motives are different to tobacco companies, sossgies, but the modus operandi is similar.

There are studies which directly ask people. There are studies which look at vaccination rates and the rates of x disease. There are natural experiments. Very few,nif any,merely on direct reports of vaccine damage.

And the system does work. The rotavirus vaccine was withdrawn due to a rare bowel condition (no deaths, all children recovered). It was detected and the vaccine withdrawn. As it should be.

And tabitha, you said before that you'd refuse the single measles vaccine as well. So you don't refuse the mmr because of the rubella and mumps components. Yiure contradicting yourself.

You also said you wouldn't vaccinate no matter how deadly measles is.

To me that suggests a complete lack of evidence based decision making.

It is thus leonie.

"The scientific evidence is that mmr does not cause autism"

Not true. Scientific evidence is that MMR does not cause trigger autism in most children.

There is no scientific evidence that says it triggers or causes autism in any children,

So Pagwatch is lying?

Or is she an idiot?

Now this may be of interest.

I said theres no scientific evidence. I know you find this offensive and I'm sorry for this and how you reconcile two conflicting stories is up to you.

It's highly contagious. Of course, not everyone will have severe side effects but WAY too many will for me to willingly expose my children to it.

We will have to beg to differ on this one. My children were small before MMR was commonly offered so they never had it - they never caught measles either. Did that mean it wasn't going round so they never caught it, or they did catch it but weren't ill? We will never know.

Now when it comes to future grandchildren,(although I will keep my opinions to myself unless I am asked) personally, I have been more persuaded by saintly's (and others) arguments - that vaccine damage can and does cause disability, but you seem to be reluctant to accept this.

Read down to the end

Really sossgies. I stopped at the point where they started ranting about big pharma lies.

Lavolcan. Yes, I know youre very influenced by stories that you hear. I'm more influenced by scientific evidence.

LaVolcan don't keep your opinions to yourself. My mother was aware of the possibility of vaccine damage but kept quiet, I wish she had alerted me to the dangers.