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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 16:27

we really had hijacked that thread!

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 16:34

I find it bizarre that you would not consider teaching sessionn with your nurses, you would do them with your SHO's, why not your nurses..

Our consultants runn teaching sessions for the sho and the nurses every 6 month, and the nurses runn courses the drs are invited to as well, the theory would be that if you are working as a team one team member should know what the other is doing.

As for nurses being F grades, that is Shock. Alhough and F grade in scotland must have at least 5 years experience, I think it is significantly less in england.

Our ward nurses are encouragerd to roatate through HDU and ITU and A and E, which improves their car of the patient at risk. Like the one you mentioned.

Do your nurses use a MEWS score at all?

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 16:43

and for what is worth doc, would a system thats "not bad" be good enough for your family?

I would have no hesitation in saying that if my family were in an accident I would want them to come to my dept, but for more chronic illnesses (and this is from personl experince) I have been let down by the NHS.

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docincognito · 28/02/2006 20:46

I would (and do) consider teaching sessions for our nurses, but on subjects within my remit, obviously. In my haste, I thought you were suggesting that we should start to educate the year 1 nurses who are left in charge of a ward, and make mistakes through inexperience, not incompetence. On our ward, the nurses rarely have any problem with orthopaedic management. TBH, it's not rocket science, and since we stopped treating people on traction, there's not much to it Grin. As I said on the other thread, the problem seems to be (IMO) with the trend that has occurred over the last 10 years or so, a)to write up EVERYTHING that has happened on a multi-paged care plan, leaving much less time for actual caring, and b) to devolve responsibility for menial tasks to less skilled individuals. I'm not saying that this has happened because individual nurses want it to be so.It seems to have happened as a result of the "upgrading" of the status of nurses - now that they are professionals with degrees they don't want to wipe bums anymore. In addition, as the wards are seriously short of qualified staff, they need extra pairs of hands to get the day's work done. (And before you accuse me of wanting all nurses to be handmaids again, I don't. I'm married to one, and the above reflects dh's views about nursing as well!).

MEWS scores are used on our surgical HDU, but sadly, not on the main wards. All of our nurses rotate through the HDU eventually, if they want to, but it's not compulsory.

I believe that the recent problems that we have had on our wards (and that example I gave was not the only one), are as a result of the drive of the trust to reduce waiting times, and their inability to see how inappropriate it is to have medical boarders with high dependency scores in the middle of an acute orthopaedic unit. The number of Consultants in our unit has doubled in the last five years, the number of operating theatres has increased to cope with the capacity, but the number of beds on the wards has stayed the same (or reduced if you consider that we haven't had less than 10 medical boarders in the unit for the last 4 months). Also the number of junior doctors hasn't increased to cope with the increased throughput, so they are thin on the ground and overworked as well.

I think our system is "good enough" for my family, yes, my dd has a chronic illness and has had exemplary treatment, but I recognise that might be because of who I am. I have had one paediatrician refuse to let her out of hospital when i could easily have managed with her at home, because "I wouldn't let the son of a taxi driver home, so I'm not letting you home either". My mother, however, went private for her hysterectomy (so she could have it done before she turned 65 and lost her sick pay- she's a teacher), and I wasn't over impressed with the care she got in our local private facility.

That's enough for now, I need a drink!

expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:01

Re: Original post - yep, you sure did!

ACL recons for everyone! With morphine and Percodan chasers. :o

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:02

can I interest you in a glass of red??

It is a difficult situation that nurses are in, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place a lot of the time.

On a busy day we will have not enough staff on and one of them now has to take a recieving page and do bloods and initial investigations.

I would never dream of ignoring basic nursing needs but newly qulified staff find it hard jugling these extended roles and providing basic nursing care. Its a difficult situation do you increase the role of the jho (again) or create a two tiered nursing job.

Although basic nursing care does not take long, it always takes longer than you've got. Extended and expected roles in a and e now include the nurse practitoners role. It is so hard to juggle, I mean realy it is like asking a jho to take on the task of providing basic nursing care on top of their duties, it is a recipie for disaster!

Enjoy your drink, has been nice( if not initially confusing ) to chat to you

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expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:04

Mmmm. Tonight is a good night for a dram, wouldn't you agree, chaps? I've got some lovely Hebridean whiskly liqueur that goes splendidly with a bit of honey and a twist of lemon.

DD2 happily batting her toys on her matt. DD1 peacefully sleeping . . .

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:04

funny how your hdu uses MEWS, the place where the nurses can probably spot a sick patient from the end of the bed and not in the wards...
I sence a research project for my masters...

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:05

Expat, what a kind jesture!

have had a hellish day the wee chp now has croup and dp has man flu, that is a welcome dram indeed!

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expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:07

Nothing like a dram on a night like this. It is BALTIC out.

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:09

certainly is, are you having snow where you are expat???

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expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:11

No. Edinburgh is clear as a bell :). Which is great, b/c I need to get to the shopping centre tomorrow and exchange these naff trous I bought for a meeting today and didn't wear. Don't know what I was thinking. They're awful! No wonder they were on sale.

Need to buy DD1 shoes, too. Youch. She's got a C width foot and her shoes usually set us back about 40 quid a pair . . . Shock.

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:16

Shock indeed, thankfully the chap is still in daisy root, though with all this snow and walking.....

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expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:20

She's a Start-Rite or Kicker's girl. They're the only ones who make that narrow width. She's skinny - even her feet!

mcmum · 28/02/2006 21:20

so you are all hiding here then ? hellooooo can i join you all please

Flossam · 28/02/2006 21:20

OMG have just read other thread!! DI, I haven't come across you before. Full of wonder as to who you are! GrinWink

FWIW I would never allocate a basic nursing care task to an axillary. I may ask for their assistance if required. Where I will be working (again!!) we are all allocated patients, HCAs and SN alike. Obviously I need to ensure that the care given by the HCA has been appropriate etc. I enjoy my job (mostly) and basic nursing care is a huge part of that. The day I stop wanting to do that is the day I beleive I should leave.

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:21

hey floss, show us your pancakes!!

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:26

Expat I wonder why our paths have not crosse before, I used to do adventure racing before the chap was born If you are still in edinburgh in july keep an eye out for the rat race I am entering a team!!

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mcmum · 28/02/2006 21:31

chapsmum - where do you find the time ? how is the little fella now ? sorry to interupt you girls but i have no friends of my own Sad and modelling thread is for big girls who swear alot lol lol tho

Flossam · 28/02/2006 21:32

Now, normally, CM that would be rude! Wink But I think my pancakes more resembled my bottom (lumpy bumpy, mangled and least of all flat) than my chest, even after the ravages of BF!! Grin

expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:32

Cool! I did all my climbing whilst living in Colorado - lots of multi-pitch cracks. Got here and started having babies. Now that's passed, am thinking of getting back in the game. Might see if they have a night for folks who need partners (DH NOT keen to climb) at Alien Rock or that place over in Ratho.

docincognito · 28/02/2006 21:35

2 glasses of white and some only-just-expired champagne truffles later, I'm feeling better. We're all on the same side, I'm sure. Hugs all round??

expatinscotland · 28/02/2006 21:36

Whisky all around! Trousers that fit and are cool. Shoes for children with narrow feet. And adventure-racing and rock climbing for everyone!

:)

chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:38

expat, ratho has some fatastic wall, we used their high ropes course as part of the race two years ago it was great! will dig out a link to rat race for you you would love it, there are some fantastic climbing centers in glasgow too. DP is in the outdoors ed industry I am luck...

flossum, have continued to do one b feed per day in the hope that when it comes to getting married in june, will stop a few days prior and have the boobs of a 16 year old again, is that wrong??

mcmumm hello darling dont feel left out, am only on so much today as dp cant speak!!! how are you sweety??

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:39

oh dr IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!

(((((((((((((((((hug))))))))))))))))))))))

and a wee bedpan to hold your chocs in, dont worry its clean!!!

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chapsmum · 28/02/2006 21:40

\link{http://www.ratraceadventure.com/\look here expat}

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