Very Very anxious about mmr

[ariane5]

My 3 dcs (10,5 and 2) have had all their jabs except mmr. When dd1 was little I made the decision not to have it done as read so much about it that scared me and I couldn't bear to give her something that could potentially make her ill.

I know that the mmr is now supposedly safe and the doctor who caused the initial worry struck off but I cannot get out of my head what I read.My new gp has been on and on at me for a good 18months to get dcs vaccinated with mmr and I have cancelled numerous appts-now EVERYTIME I go to gp they spend at least 15 minutes asking me to have mmr-they even said last week that any one of measles/mumps/rubella could be fatal to my children and were quite aggressive in getting this point across-not the best idea as Iam 7 months pg, terribly hormonal and worried about the jab anyway without feeling like my children could be struck down at any time and be seriously ill-it doesn't help me make a decision when they are being so pushy.

ds and dd2 have severe egg allergy too but they have said they would be fine to have it done at gp surgery and would not have a reaction.

I feel torn-if i do it I will be terrified and not sleep for a good 3 weeks untill all3 components of the jab have worked in case of a severe reaction and if i don't I will be panicking that they will catch measles/mumps/rubella.

All 3 have other health issues-a genetic disorder affecting connective tissue(eds) dd1 has a chest prob(pectus excavatum) causing reduced lung capacity and ds and dd2 severe allergies and a resulting poor diet.All 3 catch EVERYTHING going and are unwell a great deal and the gp has mentioned that their immune systems are not great and measles etc could be very bad for them.

I have tried everything to come to a decision but the more I read the more confused and upset Iam not knowing what to do and I feel so pushed by the gp and every dr i see at the surgery.

I really do not know what to do.

Bumb....I'm not going to waste time explaining things to you that you could easily Google, if you have doubts.

Wakefield was fraudulent in his claims that linked mmr to autism, his research was flawed and he sought glory.....at great cost.

well,I possibly could afford the single vaccines but it would be a bit of a struggle-is def something I will also consider though.

but what did he actually say, Posie? do you know what his actual claims were, or are you relying n tabloid press and Brian Deer?

SQ - no one has said that gps are out to wreck the health of the nation

and why would you expect everyone who has an issue with the mmr to have exactly the same issue? what an extraordinary position.

As these wanky threads go on time and time again on MN I have read articles in BMJ, amongst others. I'm not sure I need to prove what I know to you.

POsie, just interested. what you have said so far is clearly tabloid shite. which doesn't really help convince anyone that you have done any in depth reading.

of course you don't need to prove anything. but you know, it's a discussion. I asked a question.

why shy away from discussing the facts, while posting inflammatory half quotes from the WHO?

Oh do me a favour.... I copy and pasted a link. You can do the same, an equally reliable source if you like.

Leonie, are you deliberately being ironic?

I can't really believe that you think discussing whether vaccines are safe or not is 'wanky' either.

if you have nor real serious interest, why bother posting?

you clearly do not want to actually discuss anything, just tell other people what you think they should do.

All I can add is that pharma company's do try to pressure GP's into unnecessarily medicating patients but most GP's see through it and do not give in.
Equally GP's do not have the time or inclination to read through all the clinical papers for all the medicines they prescribe and if there is new research it won't reach the HCP's for a long time, surprisingly long time.
Mine haven't had MMR, I won't go for single vaccines either as I worry about the storage and think it's a false sense of security.
Not sure what the answer is.

What I don't get is why the non-vaccinators believe the stuff written on the anti-vax websites etc against actual data and peer reviewed stuff.

But then I don't get lots of stuff like that,for example - if you can diagnose and treat stuff by 'tongue reading' and reflexology, why wasn't it on the curriculum at med school and they make us faff around with actually examining patients for clinical signs and ordering tests to find out what's wrong.

I think I am stepping away from this thread as I can feel myself getting frustrated and I know I will never change people's mindset about this.

What is there to discuss?

Bumblymummy. I cannot answer your question as i am not a medically trained professional. As to why the other mums at the party reacted the way they did, well there were young children at the party who were too young to be vaccinated against MMR.

I can understand mums with vaccinnated children being angry that others do not vaccinate as i have been told that unless a high percentage of children are vaccinated against a disease vaccination won't provide total immunity as the disease has greater opportunity to mutate.

But i cannot understand why mums who refuse to vaccinate, for whatever reason, get so angry at mums who do vaccinate? How are your children being threatened?

I am not angry at anyone for any decision they make wrt vaccination. I find it extraordinary that anyone would be, tbh.

wispa: why do you think that non-vaccinators (my child is vaccinated, btw) only get their info from dodgy anti-vax sites? why can they not have read the same peer reviewed papers and come to a different conclusion? (as the Cochrane report did for the vast majority, by the way)

Posie - you really think there is nothing to discuss around vaccination?

how odd.

most people have a question or two, and would like more information than they are routinely given.

again - if you think there is nothing to discuss, why bother posting? apart from trying shame and bully others into doing as you want them to, of course.

I've made my decisions, looked ta the information, there is nothing to dispute. I think it's essential that parents don't make dangerous decisions because of Wakefield and therefore vaccinate their children.

Bully? Really?

Valid point marvin - I suppose it is because every so often a mum comes into my surgery clutching a print out from a website, wanting to discuss not having MMR - and it is never a printout of any peer reviewed article, always a hocus pocus website. So I am speaking from personal experience.

yes, really.

wispa it's not that i get sucked into non vaccine propaganda either it's just that I do not blindly follow NHS guidelines and neither do many HCP.
Every parent ought to read the clinical data but they do not they do as they are told.
When I took DS for his vaccines they couldn't even produce the SPC for what they were about to inject into my child. They gave conflicting advice surrounding possible side effects and were more interested in having a cuddle with the baby than answering my questions.

but Posie, you still haven't actually said what you think Wakefield stated.

it may well be that parents are reading a lot of things, and coming to conclusions based on a lot of evidence - such as the Cochrane report, which was hardly glowing in it's enthusiasm about mmr safety...

I think everyone here needs to swallow a chill pill.

OP, If you still feel like this after some of the flamey and moderately unhelpful postings, and if you can afford it, give your dcs the single vaccines.

My sense is that people are being nearly as irrational about the risk of mumps and rubella as they were about the risks of MMR. Both are mostly risks to ADULTS. And the post about measles is ludicrous too - I've had measles, and it's UNUSUAL for it to be as dreadful as this. Scarlet fever was IMHO worse, and we don't panic about it nowadays. Yes, there can be complications, but these are zebras, not horses.