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Support thread for folks with ongoing SEVERE skin issues

79 replies

Pepa · 16/01/2012 17:21

Do you....

  • have your mood determined by the state of your skin every morning
  • avoiding looking in mirrors/reflective surfaces
  • have a bathroom cupboard full of miracle cures that didn't work Angry
  • compare your skin to everyone you meet
  • find yourself trying to explain to doctors/specialist's how this is actually affecting your entire life and is not "just" cosmetic Sad
  • want to commit physical violence everytime someone says.."Have you not tried eating less sugar/drinking less coffee/drinking more water/eating less chocolate etc etc

If any of the above are true - this is the thread for you!!

Background on me - Long time lurker and occasional poster who has struggled with Acne and Facial Dermatitis all my life. Would really like some company as I search for a dark cave to hide in...

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Pepa · 16/01/2012 18:00

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LtheWife · 16/01/2012 18:09

Me and my cystic acne ridden face will join you in that dark cave. I once had a very understanding GP and tried all the solutions he was able to prescribe but saw no improvement at all. The next step was a referral for roaccutane, my GP was more than willing, but I've chosen not to go that route until we've had a family due to the possible side effects (hoping to start TTC soon).

So for now I'm just trying to live with it as best I can. I trained as a makeup artist (including camouflage make up) so know what I'm doing when it comes to trying to cover it up. On a good day I can do a good enough cover up job, but the rest of the time no amount of lotions, potions, camouflage make up or air brush applied foundation is enough to enable me to step out the front door without feeling incredibly self conscious.

SpannerPants · 16/01/2012 18:22

I have rosacea which gives me intensely itchy, bright red lumps on my face, cheekbones in particular. They take months to go away and at their peak, make the underneath of my eye swell so I look like I've got a black eye :(

It was bad enough that I was put on roaccutane by my dermatologist who warned I would need repeated courses to keep it under control. It worked, but I became pregnant 3 months after finishing the course. I had perfect skin during pregnancy but now it;s the worst it's ever been and I can't have any treatment until I stop BFing. I've started to get a red lumpy nose as well. I can't stand to look at myself in the mirror and avoid having pictures taken, which is sad as DS is 6 months old and I only have 2 pictures of us together Blush

candytuft63 · 16/01/2012 18:33

I have had severe acne for 40 years, now. I have tried EVERYTHING from antibiotics/the pill/chinese medicine and whilst some things worked, it was only for about a week or so.The nastiest thing i tried was eating egg-shells! Some foods affect me though - white flour, and sugary drinks (but not sweets or chocs).
Its horrible, i cant go swimming, for instance and have to take my makeup everywhere.
If anyone could suggest another "cure" i would gladly try it out.
I am going through the menopause now and maybe, just maybe its not quite as bad as it has been.

Pepa · 16/01/2012 18:50

Welcome fellow sufferers - glad to hear I'm not alone in my cave, although Sad that you are all suffering as well.

I had a course of accutane (the name for roaccutane in Canada) about 10 years ago prior to having kids and it did work quite well for abiout 3 years but the hormonal impact of three kids and BF has put me pretty much back to sqaure one. The dermatitis around my mouth and nose is a recent thing - anything I would of used to "help"with the acne sets off the dermatitis...go figure!! I'm currently waiting to see a dermatologist (sp?) I'm going to try to convince him to give me another course....I've heard the second course can work better than the first, although not sure of the effect it will have on my dermatitis.....

LtheWife any chance you could share some of those make-up tips??? I need all the help I can get!

SpannerPants I know what you mean about pictures with the kids - I've found myself photoshopping myself out of pictures that have me and my children in, how sad is that??

candytuft63 I just get so tired of constantly trying to "fix the problem" why is with all the medical advances there are still people like us suffering...I think its because at the heart of it the medical professionals don't see this as an "real" health issue.

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birdsofshoreandsea · 16/01/2012 18:53

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candytuft63 · 16/01/2012 19:18

Just watched the vid - what a brave girl ! In my experience using antishine creams makes me break out. Gave me spots on my nose. The last time i went to my GP I wanted to say something like "so,exactly when am i going to grow out of this then ?" thats what he has been saying to me for years. Its just not taken seriously.
Also, bad acne HURTS .
Some lotions are very smelly as well, and irritate my eyes.

Pepa · 16/01/2012 21:57

Wow that video must have taken some courage! Thanks birdsofshoreandsea for posting. I'm going to look at some of the other video's that she links too but given my skins sensitivity I think I'll need to tread very carefully.

candytift63 you are right about it hurting and the pain means I can't even forget what I look like even when I'm no-where near a mirror :-(

I've just phoned the dermatologists office to to see if I could move my appointment earlier (its in mid April) they can't move the appt, but I have been put on the cancellation list....so fingers crossed some folk cancel soon. My issue with waiting is just every week I have more spots and then more scarring...I think that upsets me more than the spots themselves. I'm very pale and scarring is very noticable.

So has anyone else had experience of having a second round with Accutane/Roaccutane?

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PurplePidjin · 16/01/2012 22:06

20 years of acne, somewhat controlled by the Pill for about 15 of those but the moody side effects got too much so i came off 6 months ago and using rhythm/withdrawal for what thats worth

Now starting tetralysal tabs and dalacyn face cream. Can see fuck all difference so far (10 days)

Trying to avoid roaccutane because i have a history of depression so am high risk of becoming suicidal. There, I finally admitted it!

All make up makes me break out. I have developed q blind spot, no pun intended, and now don't see the lumpy red bits unless i look for them

LtheWife · 17/01/2012 00:03

I'm more than happy to share some make up tips, but I will start by saying experimentation is key, my tips won't work for everyone and I don't like to recommend products as skin types and preferences vary so widely.

First of all it's important to select your products carefully. Avoid anything that claims to illuminate, highlight, reflect, give a dewy finish or contains any metallic pigments. They're great for flawless skin, but if you've got problems they'll just highlight them. Stick to matt!

Second, remember that foundation should only be used to even out skin tone, not mask flaws. No matter how bad your skin there are going to be some areas that don't need heavy coverage and covering everything with a thick layer of full coverage foundation will always look mask like. For problem skin I find liquid foundation is best.

Third, choose your colours carefully. This is so important. It's highly unlikely you'll ever find a foundation or concealer that matches your skin tone so don't even try to. Blend different colours (from within the same range) together to create your perfect shade. Start by looking at the veins on the inside of your wrists, do they have a green tinge or a purple tinge? How green or purple are they? If you look carefully most makeup has either pink or yellow undertones. if your veins appear to be green pick a yellow based foundation that's ever so slightly lighter than the skin on your face and another that's a few shades darker. If your veins appear more purple then do the same but with makeup with pink undertones. Personally, my veins appear very slightly green so I use a light foundation with yellow undertones and mix in a few drops of a darker shade with pink undertones to balance it out. Mix and match to create your perfect colour.

And finally, buy a good concealer. Once again, avoid anything that illuminates and stick to matt. Most make up artists wouldn't be without a dermacolor mini palette and with good reason too. It's a highly pigmented camouflage make up of the type used to cover up severe disfigurements, tattoos, burns, birthmarks etc. The mini palettes are great as you get enough colours to mix your perfect shade (especially important for concealer as your face isn't one uniform colour). You won't find it on the high street but it can be ordered online.

Ok, once you've completed your skin care routine leave at least 15 minutes before applying make up. It's also a good idea to blot the skin with slightly damp cotton wool/kitchen towel to remove any excess moisturiser etc before starting too. (I'm going to skip over primers etc as not everyone likes or uses them. If you've got one you like, great.) Start by applying a small amount of concealer with a brush to the areas that need it, starting in the center of any spots/discoloured areas and gently blending outwards, set with translucent powder and keep on layering until you've got enough coverage. Always start off with the tiniest amount of make up possible and add more layers as needed, always blend the edges away to nothing and always powder between layers. You're aiming to mix a colour that perfectly matches the skin surrounding the blemish.

Next, take a triangular make up sponge and tear it in half at the widest point. Using the torn rough edge apply a small amount of liquid foundation in a stippling motion, starting in the center of the face and working out. Don't wipe or sweep the sponge across the skin or stipple too hard and don't use your fingers or a brush, just gently pat the foundation on with a sponge to avoid disturbing the concealer you've just spent ages applying. Set with powder, apply the rest of your make up and you're good to go. Make sure you use a clean sponge every day, so either buy in bulk online and use a new one each day or chuck them in the washing machine in a delicates bag.

Two more tips. If you're having to cover large areas with concealer it's unfortunately almost impossible to avoid a mask like finish. So firstly, don't forget blusher (again, avoiding anything with metallic pigments) as it will help to mimic the natural variation in skin tone. Cream or powder is fine, but if you use cream pat it on (no rubbing or wiping) very gently BEFORE setting your foundation with powder. You can also try adding "imperfections". That mask like flat finish looks totally unnatural because no ones skin is that perfect. Try adding in a small freckle or two to distract the eye.

As I said, I find this often works well, but on the worst of days there's just no escaping bad skin. For me that's the days when the horrid painful cysts have swollen so much they've started to weep and scab over Blush. Make up can cover the redness, but it just can't change the texture and for me, no matter what I do it always ends up collecting around the horrible scabbiness after a few hours. That's when I feel like everyone is staring at me and recoiling in horror.

Pepa · 17/01/2012 13:55

Thanks LtheWife for that fantastic post - I'm getting online today to see if I get get a Dermacolour mini palette, I've been really nervous in the past of usinh too much concealer over the spots as it just seems to highlight but after reading your post and watching the video birds posted I'm going to try again.

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Pepa · 17/01/2012 14:00

Purplepidjin you've mentioned one of the things I really hate, the whole positive anticipation that comes when I'm trying a new drug or potion. I get all happy, "this is the one that will change my life" and then slowly reality creeps back in - having my expectations crushed usually leaves me feeling worse than when I started.

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Pepa · 17/01/2012 14:06

For what its worth ladies this thread is really helping me - I got up this morning and braced myself to do the usual skin care / make-up routine and as I was doing a tally of all the new spots that had appeared overnight I remebered you all and the girl in the video and for the first time didn't feel quite so alone. It gave me a shot of (well needed) confidence so THANK- YOU!!

purple I'm going to work on developing that blind spot too - sounds like an excellent idea :)

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SpannerPants · 17/01/2012 18:18

thank you Lthewife - lots of things to try there!

I've got dermatitis around my nose too Pepa - and nothing will get rid of it! I've tried hundreds of different moisturisers (including prescription emollients), antifungals, steroid cream, 8 hour cream, vitamin E oil but it's always red and sore. Anything that is greasy enough to stop it peeling then gives me spots there instead :( the cold weather doesn't help, I'm looking forward to spring.

I've just treated myself to some clinique anti-redness moisturiser in the hope that it helps my rosacea - I don't think it could make it worse!

PurplePidjin · 17/01/2012 19:19

I had Dermol 500 which worked for several years. It didn't cure it but it made a huge difference to the redness and itching. You use it instead of soap.

Mentally what helps me is thinking about how I see other people. If I'm chatting to a stranger, then their spare tyre or a spots on their face simply doesn't register as important. It's the same when they see me. It's there but it's not what they're talking to iyswim? I classify it as the same as sexual preference or skin colour - not relevant.

Methe · 17/01/2012 19:40

I'm going to start this by saying I don't have acne (so I hope you don't mind me posting on here) but I do get terrible scabby scaly spotting itching painful skin on my legs and for years and years refused to get them out in public Blush

[[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Australian-Bodycare-Tea-Tree-Oil/dp/B001BDTJZW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1326829103&sr=8-2 this stuff has literally sorted them right out, even the scars are fading now and they don't hurt at all.

I put it on my face too and have the best skin i've had in years.

Methe · 17/01/2012 19:41

here!

jasminerice · 18/01/2012 11:49

I have SEVERE facial eczema. I've been suicidal over it. It flared up really badly after having DC's and nothing I try seems to have any effect. I'm sure I've overused steroid creams so my skin is wrinkly and papery, even though I'm only 41. My DS kindly tells me I look really really old because of all the creases in my skin.

I never look in the mirror and that's the only way I cope tbh. The most difficult thing I find is seeing pictures of myself before the eczema flared up. I actually had lovely skin, and looked 10 years younger than my age not 50 years older like I do now.

Am so glad I found this thread. Thankyou Pepa for starting it.

candytuft63 · 18/01/2012 12:15

What a great thread !
Every new year I think to myself - this time next year I WILL be spot free.
Eternal optomist,thats me.
I tried tea tree oil and it irritated my eyes (the fumes IYSWIM), but it worked on my shoulder spots for a while. I hate stinking like a pharmacy, though.
The best cream i tried was Quinoderm, the secret is to apply a really thin layer and not be tempted to lather it on. It doesnt stop my spots as much as calm them down a bit and goes well under make-up.

First time I have actually spoken openly about my skin.
Feels great Smile

LtheWife · 18/01/2012 13:13

Completely forgot to mention airbrushes in my other post!

For me investing in an airbrush has been something of a revelation (it is something of an investment though due to cost). It's so controllable and much easier to layer than normal makeup. You can forget all about concealer with airbrushed foundation and just add more layers where you need it most with no blending required. There's no getting around it, properly applying camouflage concealer and foundation to cover severe skin issues is time consuming (although does get easier with practice). I've found that with an airbrush I can achieve as close to a flawless finish as possible in 5 minutes.

Don't rush out and buy one straight away though as not everyone gets on with them and they do require a bit of cleaning and maintenance. I'd recommend finding a local makeup artist who offers airbrush makeup and ask if they could give you an opportunity to try it out for yourself first.

I bought mine (a Dinair) on a trip to the USA, they do ship to the UK but the postage almost doubles the cost. If you are taking a trip over there (or know someone who could get one for you) then I'd recommend it. I have seen a brand called Airbase that looks like it could be similar and was available in the UK but I've not tried it myself.

Other than the finish you can achieve, other benefits include the fact that it's much more hygienic that brushes/sponges etc so less spreading of bacteria which can cause acne, if you like a fake tan it can be possible to buy accessories that allow you to do your own spray tan and if you're artistically inclined they're great for kids facepainting!

jasminerice · 18/01/2012 13:18

For years I never talked openly about my skin. It was like the elephant in the room. I am slowly learning to open up about it and yes, it feels great to be able to talk about it.

4madboys · 18/01/2012 13:35

waves at jasminerice only just found this thread, bookmarking to read later!

another eczema sufferer here and yes my moods are sooo affected by my skin :(

my hands are currenlty raw and weepy, with awful patches on my knuckles and backs of my hands, they sting and it hurts to bend my fingers etc, i have a pile of washing up i am leaving till ds1 gets home from school so he can do it as it will sting like buggery hell if i do it!

anyway back later to read :)

OhThisIsJustGrape · 18/01/2012 15:25

Can I join? I've suffered from acne for 23 years, since I was 11. It was manageable up until I had my son 16 years ago when it turned into cystic acne :(

Since then, I've had varying success with topical treatments, been diagnosed with PCOS, been on Dianette which helped tremendously. Being constantly pregnant or breastfeeding for the last almost 5 years has given me the biggest improvement as my acne is definitely related to my cycle.

Periods returned last summer and so have the spots although they are under control with a strict regime consisting of glycolic products. It's the scarring I now have huge issues with and I'm undertaking some serious research into the best treatments available with a view to finally sorting the scars out.

I cannot recommend the website www.acne.org enough, it is full of excellent, first hand, reviews and information on treatments for all types of acne and scar treatments too.

I don't discuss my skin with anyone, not even my husband. Obviously I need to find a way of raising the issue as any scar treatments are fairly drastic and not something I can do discreetly! Not to mention the financial implications Confused I am determined to sort my skin out though, it affects every single part of my life - I'm constantly checking my make up (total oil-slick skin), takes me ages to put my face on each morning too. I've been using mineral makeup (Lily Lolo) since September and it's helped my skin no end.

My confidence is on the floor and I know if I can sort my skin out then I'll be a totally different person.

Fab to have a support thread, thank you Pepa :)

Pepa · 18/01/2012 15:26

Welcome to the cosy cave Jasminerice, 4madboys and Methe!!!

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Pepa · 18/01/2012 15:33

Wanted to share something with those folks with dermatitis/acne. I've had (some) success with a range of products called Toleraine by La Roche-Posay
www.en.laroche-posay.ca/products-treatments/Toleriane/Intolerant-skin-r630.aspx

For the last month I've been using the Effaclour Cleansing Gel and either the Toleraine Moisterising Fluid (for reactive oily skin) or the Toleraine Ultra (where my dermatitis flares are). Using the Ultra cream led to a drastic reduction in my use of steriod cream. Still using steriods regularly on the flares on my eyelids- but much better around my mouth and nose.

This line is not cheap, but just before Christmas I literally could not use anything else and I was using steroids everyday almost like you would a moisturizer Sad. I went into ShoppersDrugsMart (Canadian equivilant of Boots) and was in tears to the lady in the skincare aisle Blush. She recommended this range and gave me 2 weeks worth of samples so I could really test before buying. I saw some immediate results with the Ultra cream and the flares all around my mouth and nose were alot less "angry-looking" (iykwim). Like I said it hasn't stopped me using steriods completely and I obviously am still struggling with the acne but compared to 4-weeks ago I am actually in a much better place.

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