PIP implant support group

[RainbowSheep]

www.facebook.com/groups/121178307922642/?notif_t=group_activity Hi, sorry I know this is not AIBU but I know this section has high traffic and I have found this group a real lifeline and I want to share it with others in my situation

Sorry www.facebook.com/groups/121178307922642/?notif_t=group_activity

Maybe they shouldn't get implants then. Theres a lesson in this

I'd have to agree loopsylou but given that they have and if it were you I'd imagine you'd find support helpful?

back at you loopsylou, i wouldnt get them personally but its support for those that have and are now worried...jeez

And what lesson would that be loopsy?

Sounds like you could learn a few lessons at the very least in common decency yourself!

It must be a worrying time for all those who have had these type of implants. I'm not sure what the answer is or who will foot the bill but I hope they find a solution soon. Perhaps going forward some kind of insurance policy should be available for purchase in the event of similar circumstances. At least it would give some peace of mind.

loopsylu so what are your views on post masectomy implants then? People shouldn't have those either? Or that anyone with these doesn't deserve support whatever their reason?

Surely people should foot the bill for removal or replacements themselves? Unless the NHS provided them, the cost should be up to the individual or depending on what the company said when they provided them, the company should pay.

They were saying on the news today that quite a few of the implants were provided on the NHS.

What an utterly idiotic and ignorant post loopsylou I hope that was a joke

I have PIP implants and was assured at the time I had the op that i was getting top quality medical products hence he high cost (which i am still paying) I only had them done in 09 and I didnt go massive just a modest size that suits my body and I did it for self confidence and not because I am vain. It was not a desicion I took lightly and to now find out that I have dangerous non medical products in my chest is devastating especially as i am pregnant. I work for the nhs and so see first hand the strain money issues cause on the service however if the nhs treat smoking and weight releted issues why should they draw the line at women who have been victims of such a terribe crime. They are all life style choices. Personally I believe that the clinic I went to in the fist place should pay but If they dont I cant afford to put things right myself, so should I really be left with a ticking time bomb in my body?

Self confidence what whilst naked? Your choice, not my choice that the NHS should have to put right your operation. YOu could have worn a push up bra for effect.

I saw the news as to date there is no data to support there being problems with these implants, and as they have stated go back to where you got them done.

I think people that had the work done on the NHS (masectomy, reconstructive work, and for genuine self confidence issues diagnosed my a health professional) should get them removed/fixed on the NHS. any private work shoud be fixed privately

It's not a ticking time bomb though Dani. There is nothing that says these implants will do you any harm. And if you can afford to make the payments on your first set of new boobs then you can afford to make the payments on your second if the company won't pay. Or you can take it to court so that they do pay.

it is a lifestyle choice (except those after masectomy operations) though I think anyone should be able to get them removed on the NHS.

If someone had a car accident and had been drinking should we refuse to treat them?

Someone on the radio today said there should be some kind of insurance taken out so if anything like this happened it could be covered.

As riding said ... Get them on the nhs, get a refund, or in this case, them taken out. If paid privately, go to the supplier.

Everything has risks and implants have always had a small risk of them leaking etc ... Not exactly news. Yes, a PITA to say the least but the possible side effect that you were told about has emerged ....

There is an immediate medical need if someone has been drinking and had a car accident.

There is no immediate clinical need with these implants. There might not ever be any medical need.

The two things cannot be compared.

I don't think Loopsy is talking about taking out implants in mastectomy patients who were treated on the NHS. She's probably asking why women who CHOSE VOLUNTARILY to have their implants inserted for non-life-saving reasons should be treated on the NHS unless in an emergency.

No Dani you shouldn't be left with a potential time bomb in your chest, but as sympathetic as I am to this situation, it just wouldn't be fair that PCT's could release funding for women who chose to have implants for non-medical reason, and yet there are people dying, because the life-extending/saving drug which are necessary for their treatment, are not being funded because of cost. TBH, I would say that the immediate life-threatening illnesses are more of a priority than removing breast implants which are worrying women but aren't immediately threatening their lives.

One thing I've been wondering is why women, who have had implants, didn't opt for saline ones? I mean, if the saline implants leak, the saline is absorbed by the body. AFAIK, there are also very few side effects from the saline implants themselves, from what I have read, but I am off to do a bit more research. That info was just a smidgen of what I've found so far.

I see what you mean. Was just trying to show an example how money is wasted through the NHS. Smoking related diseases, obesity are better examples.

avenged my understanding is that Silicone is offered more often, because the result is more like a real breast. So for women who have had a mastectomy, even though a liquid implant may be used during tissue expansion stage, this is often removed and replaced with a silicone implant.

The NHS choices website has information about this, and the NHS uses silicone implants a lot.

I agree with Dani's post. And it has now been established that PIP implants have a much higher rupture rate - they do represent a real risk, the stuff they are made of is not suitable to be put inside bodies! A lot of women have had theirs rupture even before this story became high profile in the news.

And yes, why is it ok for the NHS to treat people with smoking and alcohol related illnesses but not someone who paid money in good faith for what they honestly believed was a responsibly undertaken procedure?

I heard on the news this morning that the NHS will replace any implants originally provided by the NHS and will remove but not replace any that were done privately.

One rule for breasts, another for lungs tummies and hearts?

No help for selfish vain breast enhancers (there is of course no medical need for reconstructive surgery following mastectomy - you won't die from not having it done)

But get out the gastric bypass and heart ops for the obese.

Give away free lung transplants to smokers.

Refuse maternity care because gawdammit you chose to get pregnant and contraception exists you know.

Pass out a free liver to the drinkers.

As for private treatment gone wrong... Only aesthetics? What about private abortion, if you have a serious reaction to the medical termination should the ambulance deliver you back to the private clinic with no critical care?

For fucks sake, some of the responses on here are so judgemental of those who have had surgery it makes me sick. If I had something in my body there was a question over,I would be very worried. Have some sodding empathy.

Judgmental indeed........people seem to have a real bee in their bonnet about anyone who has plastic surgery. I've had breast implants (not PIP) and when I went for consultation the main risk presented was capsular contracture (which is when your body rejects the implant). The risk of rupture was presented as almost nil.