To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

I've seen you in action talking to a victim of domestic violence about abortion. You are a pro at mock concern.

I honestly don't think lemonbalm intended to insult you. I think she meant it, I really do. I think you're being oversensitive.

Your evidence contradicts the plain, public open statement of the FDA.

PIMS, you actually posted information that proved you were incorrect about the hpv vaccines introducing antibodies.

Can you confirm where your earlier figures came from? The ones that didn't tie in with the recent ones from the CDC.

It seems extraordinary to me that the importance of this is being overlooked. If it's the case that you absolutely musn't have the HPV vaccine if you've already been exposed to HPV, then that is momentous.

I dont understand why the really good discussion on benefits on testing etc in the last few pages has to become some nasty shouting match.
Surely it's good to hear everyones opinion, experience.. and then discuss whether it might be wrong, why etc

Quite, MarryPoppins. Good post.

Is it true though? It's not on any "official" websites I briefly glanced at.

Apparently not wannabe. But I agree with you.

No, I think you'll find what I said is that she was a more 'wholesome' teenager than me. That doesn't mean I had more sexual partners, but thanks anyway

You are very good at making assumptions from nothing

Wannabe, is there any other info you would find helpful?

Um, not sure about one of my links saying if you had the vaccine when you've already got HPV making you more likely to develop a lesion. It seems a bit unlikely tho' am happy to have a look if you tell me which one. I think a bit got missed off the end of a post which meant to say that having HPV could then lead to developing an abnormality but its not a certainty (posts passim).

My post earlier was about triage but it came out as "trusted" instead I see someone's posted quotes about it too. There's a section on the NHS CSP website.
The questions about different aspects of HPV testing are a bit complicated to post from a phone and tbh discussing that is probably a thread all by itself

Quickly, at present we think they've (they being the national office of the CSP) not gone for HPV testing then vaccination for anyone who's clear in the older age groups because its jolly complicated to organise, the HPV test is quite expensive and its quite likely lots of people will be HPV positive.
HPV testing can be used in several ways:

1. Use as a primary screening test then do cytology and/or colposcopy or a repeat HPV test in x months for those who are HR HPV +ve.
2. as triage for low grade abnormality to identify people at potentially more risk of having a high grade lesion
3. For those on follow up after treatment, known as test of cure. If HPV -ve and cytology neg/low grade then you'd go to 36 month recall.

2 & 3 are coming in next year (headaches all round in sorting out the implementation)

1. is more likely when there's been a bigger % of women vaccinated.

I think it was an easy assumption to make given the way you phrased it but apologies if I was wrong.

However, I do think it is worth reiterating that if you have had a sexual encounter that exposes you to hpv before you are vaccinated the vaccine is not effective.

Bb the statement re investigation of fatal adverse events came from the CDC website and is supported by ALL the safety studies I've referenced

I posted a link from the Guardian earlier about HPV testing and older women.

So even with a positive test you still need to see the abnormal cells before action can be taken, because there's nothing you can do about it otherwise. So the only purpose of an HPV test would really be to

a.decide about vax
b.decide whether to recall for pap smear earlier than normal

www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/hpv_faqs.html#6

"Fifty six deaths in the U.S. have been reported to VAERS as of September 30, 2010. Each of these deaths has been reviewed and there was not a common pattern to the deaths that would suggest they were caused by the vaccine. In cases where there was an autopsy, death certificate, or medical records, the cause of death was explained by factors other than the vaccine. Some reported causes of death received to date include illicit drug use, diabetes, viral illness, and heart failure.

How do you know if a serious adverse event was caused by the vaccine?
VAERS staff people receive reports of many types of events that occur after immunization. Some of these events may occur in the time period following vaccination by chance, and some may actually be caused by vaccination. VAERS staff members are trained to examine the details of each case and to look for patterns between cases. Such patterns might require further study by the Vaccine Safety Datalink."

If you're talking about pre-rollout safety studies they're not relevant to the issue of post roll out event reports btw.

I will try and relook at some papers about various opinions on whether its worth/possible to have HPV vaccination if you've already had HPV (the relevant to cervix types). I don't remember reading anything that said vaccination after HPV exposure would increase your risk; but that's not to say there isn't a paper out there somewhere (the internet is quite big after all).

I won't be back until later tomorro, got lots of people to teach, there should be some who've been involved in HPV pilots so might pick some brains re the vaccination.

Play nicely please folks :-)

Thanks - on my brief visits to various sites earlier I did see advice about it still being worth having the vax if you have had HPV "in the past".

Pims you would report Leonie for posting her personal opinion?
Are you kidding?

MNHQ would ignore, BB, there'd be no point.

Just to add that my take on HPV testing is that it seems a good thing for a couple to do before they embark on a sexual relationship. I realise there's a problem in not knowing how quickly an HPV infection might be shrugged off, but still. It seems that in some people it can be shrugged off very quickly; and if you have a robust and healthy body, that gives you a better chance.

I'm trying to think, as ever, how my dc, sons and daughters, can avoid cervical cancer and all the other cancers associated with HPV.

To be fair, PIMS, I think Leonie has other things to do than sit about plotting to mislead MNers out of pure malice.