To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

MrsDevere, Im so sorry to hear about your daughter

MC, its amazing how quickly you are turned on for giving an opinion that is not fitting with those you have engaged with

To me, the best way to protect yourself from cancer is to build on your body's own defences, and not weaken your body

Imunocompramised patients do not all develop cancer. Healthy individuals with strong immune systems do develop cancer for no good reason. Pregnancy can make you immunosuppressed as can stress and lack of sunshine, this does not mean you will get cancer!

My friend developed cancer having not had the vaccine. She was otherwise fit and health, how could you explain that?

I dont agree with your opinion, sorry

Well most people will make an attempt to figure out who posted something that they disagree with rather than just accusing people. I don't think you would like it much if I started accusing you of posting out of date/inaccurate/sensationalist information without having something to back it up. Poor MN etiquette.

Well, that is my point. I would be aiming for a strong body which can fight off HPV infections, as it would fight off the common cold, or the flu.

The body cant fight off all HPV strains, like it cant fight of HIV or AIDs

toboldlygo, if you are screened for HPV DNA and are found to be negative, you could get the vaccine privately

Pims, no one saying that having a suppressed immune system guarantees that you will develop cervical changes or CC but it is listed as one of the risk factors ie. It increases the risk.

Belalugosi thank you for posting.

Pims, I dint think the body discriminates against which strains of hpv it fights off - there are just certain strains that are more likely to cause cervical changes. Do you have any information that suggests that the body is never capable of fighting off those particular strains?

something else worth some future consideration

Pims - stop with the playground stuff.

"MC, its amazing how quickly you are turned on for giving an opinion that is not fitting with those you have engaged with"

MC has not been turned on, I have appreciated her posts, although "we are on different sides of the fence."

I do not only appreciate BM - stop with the false accusations and playground stuff.

Harper's comments come after and during her involvement in original and continuing research. Are you suggesting she commented, and then became involved in research which changed her mind? I think this is highly misleading.

Please stop with the playground attitude. Please.

Does anyone know if there is a finite number of HPV strains? Or do they change and mutate like the cold and flu viruses?

Here's the link to the ARTISTIC trial write up. The info about HPV incidence and duration of infection isnt the main focus of the paper.
Got to go out but will post some more links to info about screening, HPV and CIN/cervical cancer. I think its important to understand how the existing screening test and programme function when discussing vaccination as they are IMO interlinked.

Thanks Bela. The link doesn't seem to be working?

Found it here

Oh dear, they do like their acronyms! What does LBC stand for in that paper?

Thanks for the link, Bela and Bumbleymummy.

Thanks, Leonie.

Liquid based cytology = a plastic soft bristled broom is used to sweep the surface of the cervix and scrape off some cells. The bristles are then rinsed in a preservstive fluid and the vial is sent to the lab for processing and reading.
Conventional cytology was the previous method where a wooden or plastic spatula was used to collect the cells. The collected material was then spread or 'smeared' on to a glass slide and preservative added. The slide would then be sent to the lab.
Using LBC means that the cells are preserved better, the processing method means less unreadable samples and down the microscope you can see more detail of the cells. Its been a big benefit :)

I haven't read all of this thread, and I appreciate that personal experience is not the same as scientific evidence, but here goes...

I had cc, at the age of 30, otherwise very healthy and always had regular smears. I was pregnant when I developed it - my consultant said he thought that the immunosuppressive effect of pregnancy, plus all the hormones were behind it going from 'moderate changes' on a smear when I was 3 weeks pg (and didn't realise it at that point, otherwise I wouldn't have been having a smear!) to cancer when I went back for a colposcopy just after dd was born.

Even if you only sleep with one man, using condoms, and manage to stay healthy with a great immune system, you could get cc. The risk is much greater than any risk from vaccinating. Just make sure you talk to your dd about the need for smears and safe sex as well - bit like having an MOT on your car doesn't remove the need for wearing a seat belt.

Thanks, Bela. If you dodge or ignore the abusive comments, these threads produce the most informative links. Most useful.

Olay was your cc caused by HPV? and if so was it one of the strains that the vaccine is aimed at?

It was caused by hpv, but not sure what strain, sorry.