To not let dd have the HVP vaccination?

[DogGoneMad]

Dh and I really disagree on this.

People don't understand probability and statistics.

You have a 1 in a million chance of dying with every 40 miles of car travel, which is probably much more than the risk of the vaccine.

Better not drive anywhere eh?

bb, I dont think her post was directed at you

Re: death - I know I should post a link but one of the links I posted earlier includes this. There've been (iirc) 47 deaths reported after vaccination with Gardasil, not Cervarix. This does not mean that all the deaths were necessarily caused or triggered by Gardasil,it means that they have been reported (iirc) to the VAERS reporting system.

There have been 32 (out of 23million people) and the safety reported concluded it was unlikely that vaccination was the cause. If you had read my posts you would see that I like to ensure I give the correct stats

You have a 1 in a million chance of dying with every 40 miles of car travel, which is probably much more than the risk of the vaccine.
HAs that been adjusted for this bloody satellite thats supposed to land on us today?? Im scared to go out!!

PIMS, the evidence doesn't say anything different to what I said. It may protect (not 100% effective) against 2 strains (cevarix - the one mainly used in the UK) that may lead to cervical changes. (over 90% of hpv cases will resolve themselves without needing treatment and without causing any problems). Why are you disagreeing when you are posting evidence that supports what I'm saying?

Going out for the day. Back later.

Pims - there is no one here for it to be directed at. It was snide: it was unnecessary. There is nothing for you not to "stand" - you are not being called names or derided and neither are you calling names or deriding today. An improvement all round.

I will point out this sort of rubbish whereever and whenever I see it.

Oh - just seen your last post.

Are you attempting to ridicule vaccine damage by equating it with a piece of satellite landing on your head, Pims?

If so, would you like to withdraw that?

BB, dont be ridiculous, I was posting a genuine response to ahusbands post.

stop being soo argumentative.

That's rich coming from you.

I'm glad you're not equating vaccine damage to being landed on by a satellite.

post from earlier: can you link it again or tell me when you posted it.

may is such an unhelpful word in this context, that is why I will continue to correct you with objective numbers
ITs not what you are saying, its what you are omitting to say.
so, once again Being vague is really unhelpful and misleading

HPV VACCINE OVERVIEW ? Human papillomavirus (HPV) is a virus that causes cervical cancer and genital warts. Persistent infection with certain types of HPV can lead to cancer of the cervix, which affects more than 10,000 American women every year. HPV can also cause cancers of the vulva, vagina, and anus, although these cancers are much less common than cervical cancer.

Two vaccines (Gardasil® and Cervarix®) are available to prevent infection with several types of HPV known to cause cervical cancer. It is hoped that these vaccines will significantly reduce the number of women who develop cervical cancer and pre-cancer.

Over 100 different types of HPV have been identified; 40 of these are known to infect the cervix and 15 are known to cause cervical cancer. Researchers have labeled the HPV types as being high or low risk for causing cervical cancer.

HPV types 6 and 11 can cause about 90 percent of genital warts. These types are low-risk because they do not cause cervical cancer. (See "Patient information: Genital warts in women".)

Types 16 and 18 are the high-risk types that cause most (about 70 percent) cases of cervical cancer. HPV types 45 and 31 are also high-risk types, causing about 5 to 10 percent of cervical cancers.

There are two HPV vaccines available. Talk to your healthcare provider to determine which vaccine is best for you.

One HPV vaccine (Gardasil®) helps to prevent infection with four HPV types (6, 11, 16, and 18)

The other vaccine (Cervarix®) prevents infection with HPV types 16 and 18, and it may offer some protection against HPV types 45 and 31.

The two strains that both vaccines protect against cause 70% of cancer and the vaccine give some protection against other strains as discussed

The vaccines have 95-100% efficacy in doing so

Every time you post your vague opinions, I will clarify what the evidence actually proves

That's rich coming from you

Now whos being abusive??

Please find something related to the subject to discuss

Pims: may is a very good word to use when only short-term effectiveness is being tested. As bubbley said some time ago - many of these women would not in background numbers be expected to develop cervical cancer yet. May and should are the only words we have at our disposal when we are dealing with a series of unknowns.

No, it is misleading and vague.

the evidence has been reviewed over a decade and is comprehensive and evidenced based. Thanks anyway

Wow, surprises me that the same handful of posters who only ever post on anti vaccine debates are all over this one. Seriously is this all you come on a forum for?

And the same people getting abusive again when people post actual evidence [sigh]

i paid privately for my daughter to recieve guardasil vaccination when she was 15 and not sexually active as she missed out on the schools vaccination introduction.

now i understand i was fortunate in having £380 to do this, but i believed v. strongly that this money - not spare moeny by any means - this money shoudl be spend on protecting my daughter. in the same way that i believed that the usual childhood vaccinations would protect them

i am aware that there is an element of risk with all vaccinations. As a mother i weigh up the pros and cons and i air on the side of giving the vaccination.

other paents will feel differently. there is no sitting on the fence here. any argument /debate is futile.

facts are presented and as a parent you weigh up this and make a decision. i made mine 3 years ago. but if you choose not to vaccinate, i respect your decision also

:) hi bimbo

hello!

Thanks silver, its nice to see a friendly face :)

snorting makes me chuckle

in RL people who snort look very funny

Bimbo you were multiply deleted on the last thread for a very large amount of unpleasant abuse. Please don't bring it with you again. We've only just brought Pims into line and so far things are going pretty well.

Custardo - a very reasonable post. It's entirely a matter of personal choice and not for ridicule and derision.