Would you avoid places that are now reform?

[TinaMariah]

Lots of people who live near reform cities posting online stating they will boycott. Many are black or brown and are concerned about the levels of racism they've experienced in the last few weeks, and are stating they will avoid. Many calling for annual events to be held elsewhere. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm definitely concerned as a black woman who has experienced racist abuse twice in the last two weeks, one where I was told 'farage would kick get rid of yas' (this was whilst watching the football). I'm definitely worried.

Hmmm, don’t know about you but not being racist for me means also not associating myself with and condoning or excusing people who are racist.

If you’re accepting or overlooking the racism because you like the message otherwise I’m very sorry to tell you that you are in fact a racist.

regards
a white working class woman

Flipping heck! 🤬

Yep. Makes me embarrassed to be a Geordie!

Farage is getting heckled hardcore when trying to make his speech

Loads of North East places had 2nd place for Reform. It was always going to happen. Socialism and Fascism arent far removed from each other so these backward mining villages are torn.

Reform got 14% of the vote nationally, in terms of numbers of people, not seats.

In many labour or conservative seats, Reform came 2nd. They had a greater number of votes than the lib dems, although this didn't translate into seats like it did for the lib dems.

Therefore there is no such thing as a Reform place. It's everywhere.

The shame for those towns is that they probably need most help from their MPs and they are now lumbered with four people who are unlikely to do anything for them.

labour actually tackle the issue then that stops Reform in their tracks.

I pray this is true

I don’t know about that, there’s definitely places where they came third or fourth so not huge numbers at all.

We are not dismissing it; we are wondering why it always translates into bigotry

‘Socialism’? Are you sure you aren’t thinking of communism?

around 1 in 4 people you would meet are misogynistic racist bastards. Probably a large proportion are men.

Terrifying

Feral? Yep

I think you’re mistaken.

Having an MP that publicly says all immigrants/foreigners/not white peole aren’t welcome emboldens people. It makes them more vocal. It allows them to say and do things they didn’t before.

Maybe you’ve never ‘seen’ it.
It doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

And that starts by believing other people’s experiences of said increased racism.

those are not places I would think to visit anyway.

but I have faced racism everywhere in this country, especially since 2016. sometimes passive aggressive, sometimes aggressive/violent. it's just normal for me now.

really the only way to deal with it is to tackle poverty and deprivation. try to undo the damage done by austerity policies. the hate is coming from suffering and pain, it's not happening in a vacuum.

I live in one of those areas. And I’m an immigrant….

The language you use is atrocious.

Yes, machete attacks carried out by "refugees" all over Europe for a start. I expect they don't want it coming their way.

Would you also avoid going to these places too? Or is Clacton really that much worse?

https://x.com/kevlondon4/status/1753695154840477791
https://x.com/TheGrogLander/status/1809215501765067156
https://x.com/DVATW/status/1768384743152738558
https://x.com/TezTruth81/status/1752728472563101750
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1728963648884818047
https://x.com/Klaus_Arminius/status/1727765722888012116
https://x.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1651662607692996616
https://x.com/PamelaGeller/status/1727012491849330723
https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1784559533425328389

I could copy and paste for hours, but my hand is getting tired...

Why not go to the French speaking part of Switzerland, where one of my sons live. The majority parties are Labour, Greens and Liberals -unlike most German speaking parts. Lovely scenery, lakes, mountains and beautiful towns.

If I was going out at night I would avoid these places. If Reform have triumphed then there must be a lot of poverty and existing social problems. The far right stokes the flames, blaming 'black people' and 'woke agendas' for every ill. In truth, neither Reform or the Tories have ever given a flying fuck about these poor, jobless mostly white communities. They will attack single (female) parents next, the disabled and try to put women back in the place they see fit very soon. The vitriol being aimed at people of colour via immigration drivel is unhinged and feels dangerous. I wouldn't go to these places anyway as they give out certain signals that I find intimidating as a white woman but people of colour must feel very abused.

I work in one of those areas, and my birth town is another Reform in second place one. I loathe Reform (hell I'm a diagnosed autistic - therefore a "vegetable" according to one of their candidates), but I can see exactly how it's happened - lots of it is the same people who voted for the Tories under Boris because they needed to feel like they were sticking it to the establishment (despite both Boris and Farage being very establishment and playing the part of the rebel very cynically) and feeling like they're ignored and abandoned by traditional politics, and largely mocked by society at large - look at some of the comments on here about people from there.

In reality they're largely towns that have lost their main employment so are prime pickings for shitty zero hours low skill and crap jobs, with limited opportunity to move on and away grafting their arses off to just about stay afloat - and therefore if someone comes along and offers you a handy "explanation" why things are the way they are and offers solutions and basically grooms you a bit to tell you that you matter, that they understand you, that they've got your back - you're going to fall for it aren't you?! Same way historically UKIP and before that, the BNP targeted these deprived areas in exactly the same way.

The Reform voting areas are now going to be the latest MN middle class sneer fodder though - but these are the areas where people are out all hours delivering your Amazon packages, answering your call centre calls and praying their jobs don't get outsourced to India, caring for your relatives who can't live independently anymore and working in shitty zero hours retail jobs with bog all security. They were the areas where people were down the pits or in the shipyards in previous times - those working class grafter jobs and as Labour's gentrified and courted the middle classes more and more - that's left a gap that opportunists have moved in on.

In my experience that can’t WAIT to tell you…

‘The Reform voting areas are now going to be the latest MN middle class sneer fodder though’

As someone with a thoroughly WC upbringing and family I can tell you that plenty of people of all backgrounds think Reform are a racist bunch of arseholes voted for by people of limited intelligence.

Almost everyone I meet from Essex has expressed racism often very overt, directly to my face. Things are generally better in London and I love Kent. I'll be moving away from Essex pretty soon, hopefully

Unfortunately if you look at the amount of votes, and how many places reform came second and third, you'd have to avoid most of England.

this is the problem. They are from areas that are deprived and feel they should be looked after first. Instead of housing illegal immigrates. That’s not rascist. Brits are all different colors and races and religions. A lot of People in Britain don’t have a dentist yet we give free dentistry to illegal immigrates as soon as they arrive that isn’t fair. It’s not about race. I accept that a minority may well be rascist but you get that in every single party and that’s not right but saying ever reform voter is rascist is just as bad. You are talking bad about people who are allowed to vote for them and not for others. That is everyone’s right to vote for what they believe is right. Just because they believe they should be looked after first isn’t rascist. Every single place in the country had people vote for reform. What you going to do stay at home? That is ridiculous.