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General election 2024

To be surprised how many threads on here are about …

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Ednasharples · 30/06/2024 15:55

Labour making a hash of things. It’s like we are living in a weird kind of masochistic Stockholm syndrome. Most of us are experiencing the reality of broken Tory Britain, where nothing works (unless you live in a very well off area I guess) but we’re being gaslit that everything is hunky dory.
I listened to Oliver Dowden literally shouting over the interviewer on LBC this morning, telling us how taxes will shoot up within 6 months of KS being PM, how British children are the best readers in the universe, how Rishi single handedly brought down inflation (but funnily enough had nowt to do with it going up). I read on here that Labour hate women, hate rich people, hate aspiration, and will raise the red flag over Buckingham palace after Starmer has been overthrown by Corbyn.

It’s like the country is facing an existential threat to its survival if Labour win despite Tory Brexit, Tory austerity, Tory cronyism, life expectancy falling because of a whole scale drop in living standards, children becoming fatter and sicker. It’s just all very odd and I’m struggling to understand it …

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Champagnesocialismo · 01/07/2024 15:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/07/2024 13:26

keffie12 · Yesterday 21:10
I'm voting Labour and happy to be doing so. Ours is a safe labour seat anyway.
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No one is saying all problems will instantly be solved, or ever solved,
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It's just a different vibe with Labour. A serious government with intent who won't be lurching us from one crisis to another.
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We can get back to what politics is supposed to be about - not the utter madness of the last 8 years.
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When politics works, it's boring. When it's on the media every day, it's failing
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If I want to be entertained I'll go to the theatre

Hear, hear. It’s insane, that an hitherto reasonably sensible nation has just accepted the lunacy of the last several years. At 60, I can recall a time when the UK was admired, not just a laughing stock.

Yes please the UK is a serious country not the clown college that has been in charge since 2019. Moron ministers and sound bites only under the Tories

1dayatatime · 01/07/2024 17:12

@Fightthepower

"It is important to say that British consumers or taxpayers won’t pay a penny, with the increased costs met entirely by shareholders.”

Which in turn is underwritten by a £92 MWh indexed linked CfD from the government.

So yes the tax payers do indirectly fund it.

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 17:33

Owl55 · 01/07/2024 15:21

I think those who intend to vote for the conservatives are terrified and trying to discredit labour as much as possible in every way with lies and accusations ! Time for change , it can’t get any worse and can only improve!

Yeah I think so too.

EasternStandard · 01/07/2024 17:35

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 17:33

Yeah I think so too.

Do you think that’s why the IFS made a statement?

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 19:27

"Project Fear" is trending on Twitter because the Tories can't campaign on their record so all they've got is drama llama dire warnings.

I understand the histrionics, they're having feelings, but I don't massively feel the need to engage with it.

EasternStandard · 01/07/2024 19:28

That’s not an answer re IFS

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 19:29

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 19:27

"Project Fear" is trending on Twitter because the Tories can't campaign on their record so all they've got is drama llama dire warnings.

I understand the histrionics, they're having feelings, but I don't massively feel the need to engage with it.

😂
I just keep thinking "boy who cried wolf". "Project Fear" is funny though. Hoisted by their own petard.

Meadowtrees · 01/07/2024 19:36

Last time people used the phrase ‘project fear’ was to discredit people campaigning to remain in the EU.

Unfortunately the Remainers’ warnings were ignored but turned out to be true.

EasternStandard · 01/07/2024 19:42

Meadowtrees · 01/07/2024 19:36

Last time people used the phrase ‘project fear’ was to discredit people campaigning to remain in the EU.

Unfortunately the Remainers’ warnings were ignored but turned out to be true.

Yeh not really inspiring if it follows the same

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 20:29

Meadowtrees · 01/07/2024 19:36

Last time people used the phrase ‘project fear’ was to discredit people campaigning to remain in the EU.

Unfortunately the Remainers’ warnings were ignored but turned out to be true.

Indeed, but this is a tongue in cheek subversion that it's fun to chuck their own stupid slogan back at them.

1dayatatime · 01/07/2024 21:15

@Owl55

"Time for change , it can’t get any worse and can only improve!"

I remember the exact same words being used at the 2010 election when the Conservatives/ Lib Dem's won.

Things definitely got worse after 2010 or more specifically after 2016. My personal opinion is given the current financial situation things will indeed get worse than they currently are under Labour. However if the Tories were re elected then things would be much worse than under Labour.

Either way those expecting a change of fortunes under Labour will be sorely disappointed.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 01/07/2024 22:03

@Ednasharples it's just the last shouts of the Tories as they face losing power. That, and the fact that all of the parties are learning to exploit social media more effectively.

croydon15 · 01/07/2024 22:07

I am quite worried about what's will happen after Thursday as Labour will tax everything they can making the majority of people poorer, Tories have not made a great job of the last few years but would any other party deal better with the pandemic, the war in Ukraine.
Frightening to have a PM who doesn't know what a woman is

Ednasharples · 01/07/2024 22:08

verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 19:27

"Project Fear" is trending on Twitter because the Tories can't campaign on their record so all they've got is drama llama dire warnings.

I understand the histrionics, they're having feelings, but I don't massively feel the need to engage with it.

Absolutely. It’s why they couldn’t say Leave UK or whoever was a load of toss because they knew exactly that the EU had nothing to do with the lamentable state of the country and more to do with their policies like austerity. Much like now.

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verdantverdure · 01/07/2024 22:09

Tories are going to be doing what my kids call "having a normal one" from now until the polls close aren't they?

Ednasharples · 01/07/2024 22:11

croydon15 · 01/07/2024 22:07

I am quite worried about what's will happen after Thursday as Labour will tax everything they can making the majority of people poorer, Tories have not made a great job of the last few years but would any other party deal better with the pandemic, the war in Ukraine.
Frightening to have a PM who doesn't know what a woman is

I’m sure he does. Why not ask his wife ?

You also forgot Tory Brexit. How come taxes are at their highest in 70 years after 14 years of Tory mismanagement ? How come the NHS is crumbling ? State schools ? The roads ? Wtf has that to do with covid or Ukraine. Things were shite before 2020.
Some of these posts are like shooting fish in a barrel.

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Churchview · 01/07/2024 22:28

would any other party deal better with the pandemic
The Tories dealing with the pandemic.

To be surprised how many threads on here are about …
Shinyandnew1 · 01/07/2024 22:47

Parties in lockdown

flogging useless PPE to your mates at inflated prices

Test and Trace

Not turning up to multiple Cobra meetings

screwing up A level gradings then having to change them all a week later.

I don’t think anyone is under the illusion that the Tories did a good job here. Yes, I think pretty much any other politics party would have been better.

123H · 01/07/2024 22:48

I'm voting Labour because I want a Labour government led by Keir Starmer, not just because they're "not the Tories".

It drives me mad when people say they don't know what Labour will do. Read their manifesto. - it sets out very clearly what they will actually do to improve this country for the majority.

Keir Starmer will be an honest PM with integrity and he'll expect the same from his team. There'll be no more shenanigans; after 14 years we'll finally have a government that works for the good of the country - not for the good of themselves.

I can't bloody wait👍💪🏻🤞

Ednasharples · 01/07/2024 22:52

EasternStandard · 01/07/2024 19:28

That’s not an answer re IFS

What did the IFS say about the Tory manifesto ?
Who do the FT and the Economist back ?

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PerfectYear321 · 01/07/2024 22:59

Is anyone else sick of the word 'deliver'?
I've never heard it so much as I have during this current government's reign and I associate it with lies. I wish Labour we would stop saying it. It's giving me PTSD.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/07/2024 23:01

I think you’ll find it’s a Conservative trope, PerfectYear321, alongside “plan”.

Churchview · 01/07/2024 23:06

Ednasharples · 01/07/2024 22:52

What did the IFS say about the Tory manifesto ?
Who do the FT and the Economist back ?

The IFS said that the Tory manifesto has promised to cut public services in order to save £10 to £20 billion.

They pointed out that the manifesto doesn't say how, where and when they'll make those cuts.

1dayatatime · 01/07/2024 23:13

croydon15 · 01/07/2024 22:07

I am quite worried about what's will happen after Thursday as Labour will tax everything they can making the majority of people poorer, Tories have not made a great job of the last few years but would any other party deal better with the pandemic, the war in Ukraine.
Frightening to have a PM who doesn't know what a woman is

Regardless of who gets elected either taxes will increase or spending cut or a combination of both.

Given that the Labour manifesto is under funded by £5 billion and the Conservatives by £13 billion then the cuts or tax rises would be higher under the Conservatives.

But for comparison the Green manifesto is under funded by £180 billion!!

OperationGoldDawn · 01/07/2024 23:17

So Tory bad somehow equals Labour good ? @Ednasharples