Voting if you’re classed as high earning

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just wondering if you earn high or wealthy who will you vote for?
I’m not wealthy but we both do have a higher than average income, however 7 dependents and a large mortgage takes everything!! So on paper we may look it
but realistically we budget for everything

anyway we live in a wealthy area with a lot of rich people (a lot lot better off than us, as far as I can tell anyway )
and they all said not voting labour as would be bad for them and all now detest the tories so all going Lib Dem or reform they keep asking me but I said I don’t know and I still don’t

got to say I’m not as clued up on politics as them and I struggle with understanding it all and what to believe
(maybe none) any one help me get a better understanding, everything I read I find overwhelming

I actually like Keir Starmer. He's not a great politician but I think he is genuine and honest (enough) I don't think he as self serving as many others

Not to pick on your comment, but just as an example because a few people have said some similar sentiments.

Sir Keir promised to rein back on the abolition of the pensions lifetime allowance when this was announced by the tories.

Three days later he was outed by the Telegraph as being completely unaffected by this commitment due to his unfunded pension exempt from the lifetime allowance, from his time at DPP. Whoops - he then had to back pedal, the hypocrite.

Posters surprised that others are voting reform must surely realise that it’s largely a protest. I’m another one that thinks it’s not a good idea to hand the labour party a huge majority.

And for those happy to do so so all I can say is watch out for your pensions.

LittleMy77
The Conservatives have driven the economy into the ground; it's insane that you can have two people in a family working but still be below the poverty line and have to use food banks.

What percentage of dual income households have to use food banks? I remember reading recently that only 8% of people/households referred to the Trussell Trust have any sort of income from employment.

*Sir Keir promised to rein back on the abolition of the pensions lifetime allowance when this was announced by the tories.

Three days later he was outed by the Telegraph as being completely unaffected by this commitment due to his unfunded pension exempt from the lifetime allowance, from his time at DPP. Whoops - he then had to back pedal, the hypocrite.*

You see (and not to pick on yours - honest!) I am not a natural Starmer fan but everytime there's been a 'gotcha' like this I've though "so what?".

They all seem like such small sins.

Reintroducing the £1m allowance on pensions, even though by virtue of his past job his would not naturally be subject to the new allowance? He was at the DPP and they are the rules. He then promised he would not extend that to include himself (ie he would hold himself exempt and so still pay any additional tax like others). Seems reasonable to me.

It always leaves me thinking 'is this really the worst they could find?'.

I'm not saying I think he's going to be brilliant. But so far, he's the most realistic chance of getting someone better than we've had for more than a decade (imo).

@mupersum1 ahhhh but never mind about that they know what a woman is you see

Well, I think it’s a gotcha if he’s introducing a tax on everyone else that doesn’t apply to him and keeping schtum about it until someone points it out and then changing his mind so that it then applies to him.

And it was only the rules because he had his own statutory instrument to create his tax exemption from the tax that applies to the rest of us.

Wouldn't want even a miniscule risk of him trying for top job. Welcoming his “friends” Hamas.

There really isn't a risk - he's already had the 'top job' (by which I assume you mean party leader?) and he made such a mess of that it's not going to happen again.

Good try though - scraping the barrel there by Tory HQ I think.

@Clavinova great at cherry-picking bits to suit your prejudices, aren't you?!

Following university, Hunt worked as a management consultant at OC&C Strategy Consultants for two years

Two years in consultancy isn't really that much.

and then became an English language teacher in Japan.

... so business not for him?

[11] On his return to Britain, he tried his hand at a number of different entrepreneurial business ventures, with three failed start-ups including an attempt to export marmalade to Japan.[12][13]

Three failed ventures?

In 1991, Hunt co-founded a public relations agency named Profile PR specialising in IT with Mike Elms, a childhood friend.[11]Hunt and Elms later sold their interest in Profile PR to concentrate on directory publishing.

Hunt had been interested in creating a 'guide to help people who want to study rather than just travel abroad'[14] and, together with Elms, founded a company known as Hotcourses in the 1990s, a major client of which is the British Council.[15] Hunt stood down as director of the company in 2009; however, he still retained 48% of the shares in the company, which were held in a blind trust before Hotcourses was sold in January 2017 for over £30 million. He personally gained over £14 million from the sale and in doing so became the richest member of Theresa May's Cabinet.

So he stood down. It was the shares that he had in the company that made him his money - some 18 years after he'd left - not anything in particular that he had achieved!

Not sure that this is really a ringing endorsement of his financial expertise or experience.

I know right. It's scary that people see it as a positive if someone knows what a woman is even if that means they simply know who to speak about with utter disdain, isn't it?

No benefit to women in someone like that Reform candidate knowing what a woman is if it just means he can identify who he thinks is a member of the lesser sex class, sponging off men and having less right to healthcare than men.

Those voting Labour - aren't you concerned that when they get the power there will be the same infighting as Tory had? And relatively centrist Starmer can be replaced by Rayner?
Have you seen TUC's reaction to workers' rights in manifesto?

Reform? Really ?!? I’m shocked.
Labour here, 2 high earners.

A bit like Mrs Sunak’s tax.

He’s had the “top job”, failed at it and been kicked out. There’s not a wisp of a risk he’d be readmitted to the party, let alone become leader of it.

BIWI
So he stood down. It was the shares that he had in the company that made him his money - some 18 years after he'd left

Your copy and paste said he stood down as director in 2009 and the company was sold in January 2017 - that's 7 years, not 18 years.

Three failed ventures?

In his early 20s - most successful entrepreneurs have not-so successful start-up businesses early in their CVs.

Tens of thousands of people have non-dom status in the UK - Keir Starmer's pension arrangement was unique to him.

I was referring to the about turn when her tax arrangements were exposed when you thought you’d got some king of gotcha when accusing Starmer of an expedient change of mind. Your double standards are mind blowing.

Lib Dem as we live in an area with a lib Dem MP and has been for a while- but I would be perfectly happy to vote Labour and have done so when living in other areas-

I don't think there's a chance Angela Rayner would be PM at any point. If there was a change it's far more likely to be a centreist as a whiff of power and victory focuses the mind

Who thought Cameron would be re-admitted to the Torys? I really hope you’re right.

Cameron never left the Tories. He resigned as PM and as an MP. He was always a member of the Conservative Party.

BIWI

The business was valued at over £30 million in 2013 as well - we're down to 4 years now;

Hotcourses' sale to Inflexion would propel health secretary [Jeremy Hunt] into the ranks of most successful entrepreneurs in the Commons

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/08/jeremy-hunt-17m-hotcourses-sale-inflexion

Are you confusing me with a different poster?

Didn’t realised he remained an MP.. my mistake.

He didn’t remain as an MP. That’s why he had to be awarded a peerage to be Foreign Secretary. He didn’t leave the Conservative Party. Labour kicked Corbyn out and they won’t have him back, he’s standing as an independent.

Mum? is that you?! 😂

Have you seen the slate of candidates, and the composition of the NEC? The candidate selection process itself was quite instructive. It's remarkable how much Starmer has managed to shift the party so quickly, and a decent majority with lots of the backbench being from the new intake will shore up his position - along with his changes to how leadership elections work.

Is that the TUC that signed off the manifesto?