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General election 2024

Keir, what do you think?

455 replies

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 06/06/2024 16:04

Labour will win this General Election but I don’t think Sir Keir will be party leader a year from now because there are many amongst Labour MP’s who will want to be more radical. Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party a year from now and why?

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Seaitoverthere · 07/06/2024 17:59

I don’t think I am the one being deliberately obtuse in this situation.

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2024 18:02

keffie12 · 07/06/2024 17:46

Exactly this! You look the words right out of my mouth.

He is stable and calm. As a barrister, he knows how to play the long game. We have seen that this week against Sunak how he let Sunak hang himself.

He is also a happily married family man who didn't settle down until he was 40ish, and he knows how many children he has too. Bonus

We have had enough of "fun" politics. If I want to be entertained I'll go to the theatre. I just want my boring politics back like it was before the damn referendum. Not with Cameron in, though. I'm talking generally.

This video below is only 2 mins long and is absolutely brilliant, explains by another barrister what Keir was doing the other night 😉

x.com/LBC/status/1798308791970414726?t=2HeH6k1ZCa3ttPv4KjvFRA&s=19

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

ilovesooty · 07/06/2024 18:04

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 07/06/2024 17:47

Let's keep it real
Labour has been out of number 10 for 15 years
Starmmer is trying to take control by taming the 'left wing,'
but that has failed
Should labour get into number 10 via the back door with a
coalition partner/s, the do you really believe the left
will take it lying down and not want their way???

Don't forget, the unions are the biggest supporters of the labour party
and will want more for the people they represent. Anglea Rayner
is my fav to take over Starmer

I think reality was being discussed before you posted that tripe.

Gtfto2024 · 07/06/2024 18:19

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 07/06/2024 17:47

Let's keep it real
Labour has been out of number 10 for 15 years
Starmmer is trying to take control by taming the 'left wing,'
but that has failed
Should labour get into number 10 via the back door with a
coalition partner/s, the do you really believe the left
will take it lying down and not want their way???

Don't forget, the unions are the biggest supporters of the labour party
and will want more for the people they represent. Anglea Rayner
is my fav to take over Starmer

Bullshit. Seriously, is someone paying you to post this shit? You can't actually believe it.

I'm incredulous that anyone would believe it.

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2024 18:20

Gtfto2024 · 07/06/2024 18:19

Bullshit. Seriously, is someone paying you to post this shit? You can't actually believe it.

I'm incredulous that anyone would believe it.

Who’d pay for it? Can you imagine parting with cash for it?

Lonelycrab · 07/06/2024 18:25

Let's keep it real

And then goes on to post a load of absolute sky-is-green nonsense.

No one at all with one iota of what’s going on politically is talking about a Labour coalition at this stage, it’s the exact opposite.

I dont know why you’re posting such badly informed stuff, is it just to get a reaction?

dontcallmelen · 07/06/2024 18:30

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 07/06/2024 17:56

Please stop being deliberately obtuse.😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
I'll let you have the last word

You really need to go back to frothing about Kate.

pointythings · 07/06/2024 18:43

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator well, clearly Starmer hasn't failed to tame the lunatic fringe of his party - he has done exactly that and done it so well that Labour are now very electable indeed. Today's poll has Labour at a majority of 352 seats. Now that probably won't happen, but the majority will be big.

However, in the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a hung parliament resulting in a coalition with Labour leading it, that would be a completely legitimate outcome of the electoral process. It happens when the electorate does not wish to give a single party a mandate to govern and it is the norm in many countries where voting is by proportional representation. To say that this is 'getting in by the back door' is to show a fundamental respect for British democracy and British values. Are you opposed to democracy? It would be lovely if you were to answer this question.

pointythings · 07/06/2024 18:45

Lonelycrab · 07/06/2024 18:25

Let's keep it real

And then goes on to post a load of absolute sky-is-green nonsense.

No one at all with one iota of what’s going on politically is talking about a Labour coalition at this stage, it’s the exact opposite.

I dont know why you’re posting such badly informed stuff, is it just to get a reaction?

There are several theories about this, but best not to speculate. I try to educate instead - it might help some people who don't know that much about how democracy works to understand that there's nothing shady about coalitions, depspite what some people say. At a time like this, it's important to make sure that misinformation is challenged and set right wherever possible.

HRTQueen · 07/06/2024 18:47

srailfonaidraug · 07/06/2024 15:20

First paragraph above: Classic gaslighting with no basis in fact whatsoever.

If Brexit, Bozo and Thatcherist austerity aren’t enough to convince you of the power of lies from the same sources as the ones stupid people still believe about Corbyn, you’ll still be having this discussion when Starmer proves what appeasing to a corrupt establishment buys ordinary people in this country.

Second paragraph: No fan of Blair but you got something right at least. Starmer can’t hold a candle to Blair but dog-saddle Sunk and cabal have done more than enough to ensure even the dimmest of voters will see him as the lesser unsavoury option. Not many, not any convincingly cognitive, particularly like the guy though.

Third paragraph: making a dash for semantic moral high ground on a level playing field is sanctimonious gaslighting, not an argument. One day it might even be passé enough for you to learn that.

Gaslighting? its a fact Labour lost three consecutive elections two of those were led by Corbyn

Hedgeoffressian · 07/06/2024 18:51

GasPanic · 06/06/2024 17:16

What hard left ?

Who is actually left of the "hard left" ? I mean Abbott has been a good politician but she is finished now politically. Corbyn has been banished. People like Skinner have retired.

There isn't really a hard left. Starmer doesn't have to really purge it, because it isn't there. The biggest chance of a resurgence of the hard left really comes from the Labour leadership itself lurching to the left.

Will that happen ? I don't know.

Momentum has gone quiet. For now.

Alfreddoeblin · 07/06/2024 18:52

What happened to the ERG ? The rational side of the Tory party 😂

Lonelycrab · 07/06/2024 18:55

@pointythings personally I don’t have anything against a Lab/Lib coalition, in my personal case (being in a safe Tory seat where the Lib/Lab vote is split equally but if combined would win) I’d favour Labour not fielding a candidate as it would potentially make for a non Tory victory in my area.

I would actually prefer it if there was more cooperation between the LP and Libs/Grn as there so much damage to repair.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 07/06/2024 19:00

HRTQueen · 07/06/2024 18:47

Gaslighting? its a fact Labour lost three consecutive elections two of those were led by Corbyn

He was a disaster for the Labour lot. Thnakfully he will never return to the Labour party as he is worse than most of the left wingers in Lab aTM

TheyAllFloatDownHere · 07/06/2024 19:25

I would actually prefer it if there was more cooperation between the LP and Libs/Grn as there so much damage to repair.

Me too!

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 07/06/2024 19:38

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 06/06/2024 16:04

Labour will win this General Election but I don’t think Sir Keir will be party leader a year from now because there are many amongst Labour MP’s who will want to be more radical. Who would you like to see as leader of the Labour Party a year from now and why?

They won't. I'm not keen on him personally but I do think he's competent.

srailfonaidraug · 07/06/2024 19:41

HRTQueen · 07/06/2024 18:47

Gaslighting? its a fact Labour lost three consecutive elections two of those were led by Corbyn

Corbyn didn't lose. The tories won by smear campaign - aided and abetted by this country's disgusting tabloid gutter-press and members of the Labour Party like Starmer - , Bozo, Brexit and an electorate so dumb they're even now insisting the mess we're in is all Corbyn's fault.

How they've arrived at that conclusion is explained by the same obfuscation by convoluted claptrap they keep regurgitating every time someone tries to do them a favour and peel them off Starmer's window.

pointythings · 07/06/2024 19:48

TheyAllFloatDownHere · 07/06/2024 19:25

I would actually prefer it if there was more cooperation between the LP and Libs/Grn as there so much damage to repair.

Me too!

Me three.

Lonelycrab · 07/06/2024 19:50

Corbyn didn't lose

Well by that token, neither did Milliband.

Except he did lose, Corbyn twice and the last time by a landslide margin as we’ve all been experiencing for the last parliament.

The r/w press is always going to be the river that a left wing party has to swim up in any election in this country, rightly or wrongly that’s just how it is.

And you, (for someone that thinks they’re one step above everyone else in intelligence) clearly dont have a very good grasp of what “gaslighting” actually means. Hint: it’s not just something you don’t agree withWink

ActivePeony · 07/06/2024 19:58

He is also a happily married family man who didn't settle down until he was 40ish, and he knows how many children he has too. Bonus

He's a bit confused about what sex they are though...😬

ActivePeony · 07/06/2024 19:59

Loving that people have said that Starmer will not have an issue with the hard left and then...ooops... along comes srailfonaidraug!

ActivePeony · 07/06/2024 20:02

srailfonaidraug · 07/06/2024 19:41

Corbyn didn't lose. The tories won by smear campaign - aided and abetted by this country's disgusting tabloid gutter-press and members of the Labour Party like Starmer - , Bozo, Brexit and an electorate so dumb they're even now insisting the mess we're in is all Corbyn's fault.

How they've arrived at that conclusion is explained by the same obfuscation by convoluted claptrap they keep regurgitating every time someone tries to do them a favour and peel them off Starmer's window.

Edited

Corbyn lost and destroyed the party. Get over it.

pointythings · 07/06/2024 20:03

ActivePeony · 07/06/2024 19:59

Loving that people have said that Starmer will not have an issue with the hard left and then...ooops... along comes srailfonaidraug!

Edited

There's a bit of a difference between a disappointed Corbynite on an Internet forum and a political party. Starmer has done a good job removing the Momentum brigade from positions of power in the party. He's been a damn sight better at party discipline than the Tories with their 500 warring factions. I am aware that this is a low bar.

HRTQueen · 07/06/2024 20:07

srailfonaidraug · 07/06/2024 19:41

Corbyn didn't lose. The tories won by smear campaign - aided and abetted by this country's disgusting tabloid gutter-press and members of the Labour Party like Starmer - , Bozo, Brexit and an electorate so dumb they're even now insisting the mess we're in is all Corbyn's fault.

How they've arrived at that conclusion is explained by the same obfuscation by convoluted claptrap they keep regurgitating every time someone tries to do them a favour and peel them off Starmer's window.

Edited

Oh give over people saw his interviews not just read right wing papers and they came to the conclusion his style of politics isn’t what they wanted the causes he supported and didn’t

the Labour Party imploded under him with Momentum behind him and anti semitism ran rife it was absolutely appalling

Corbyn has always been an agitator, he has always been anti what ever government is in power even his own party and there is a place for him but it’s not as PM or leader of the opposition and now no longer as a member of the Labour Party as he will still undermine the impact of the anti semitism under his leadership

And if you know anything about Corbyn is that is doesn’t shift he was anti EU like his mentor Tony Benn those of us that knew this were not surprised by his lacklustre and completely out of character behaviour while campaigning during the Referendum

Lonelycrab · 07/06/2024 20:08

ActivePeony · 07/06/2024 19:59

Loving that people have said that Starmer will not have an issue with the hard left and then...ooops... along comes srailfonaidraug!

Edited

Well considering the last decade plus has been the hard right tail wagging the Tory party dog, I very much doubt the hard left will exert much control if Labour win this election. Did they the last time we had a labour govt? No they didn’t.

More reds under the bed scaremongering.