Tonight's TV debate Sunak v Starmer - any predictions?

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Anyone up for a watch thread? Maybe even debate bingo. I know I know, don't threaten me with a good time. (Bingo suggestions: natural party of business, Labour has no plan, end the chaos, Rayner will take over, assorted references to Starmer's time as DPP probably blaming for Jimmy Saville again, inflation is down etc etc.)

At this point I seriously doubt anything like this will remotely change the game Nick Clegg style. I read somewhere the only way Sunak could come out of this ahead in the polls is if Starmer pulled off a mask scooby-doo style to reveal he's Jeremy Corbyn, which admittedly would be great telly.

I'm so fed up with the endless rhetoric but will definitely watch later anyway.

I'm not at home so didn't watch but going off the posts I've seen here it's a choice between crap and shit.

Agreed.

And Rishi was the one that came out with the crushingly stupid "eat out to help out" !

Points 2 and 3 are already in place. Point 1 is the issue. Cutting tax breaks in a self-funding system is already creating an issue and for students, I’d be very worried that the precedent of not making education vat free leaves universities open to charging it.

YouGov says Rishi won the debate

These type of debates bring about selective hearing dependent on which tribe your in.

Pmsl that people actually think Sunak did well.

Saying a thing over and over doesn't make it true. He was tetchy, petulant and rude. Not good traits.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

I really don’t understand how anyone can have watched that and thought Starmer answered anything in more detail.

whoever said their husband said it’s shit you know vs shit you don’t is spot on. I have no idea what Starmer stands for or plans or how he will implement.

….it tells you how the money “will be gotten” 😂

Influx? Many, many parents will absorb the rise without even feeling it, do you think the likes of the super rich will balk at a 4 grand rise? Yes some children will be affected, but don’t pretend it will be huge numbers because it really won’t.

It would have helped if Sunak hadn't incessantly talked over Starmer.

I think words were had during the break. A couple of times in the second half Sunak was clearly struggling to not interrupt Starmer.

I agree. I'm definitely more biased toward Starmer (and bitterly disappointed)

Agree, but he's naturally more of an orator than a shouter and that's why it went against him. The barrister in him likes going round the houses to make certain points and while it works sometimes, it didn't tonight.

Definitely.

2 is in place without loopholes?

It’s so lazy and pathetic to assume someone having a different opinion to you is a “bot”

I'm a Labour voter and I'm disappointed too. I thought Sunak edged him.

Devoid of ideas and duplicitous is hardly what I looked for in a father figure. You must have had a tough old childhood.

"It would have helped if Sunak hadn't incessantly talked over Starmer.

I think words were had during the break. A couple of times in the second half Sunak was clearly struggling to not interrupt Starmer."

Yes - something was definitely said. Fucking ridiculous. Toddlers have better grasp of turn taking than Sunak.

Well I’ve always been a left wing voter, I’d never vote Tory, but I thought Starmer was dire. Too much empty waffle and putting the boot into the Tories without saying anything much about his own plan.

I want to know his vision for the future and his plan to get there and I really didn’t hear that.

Totally uninspiring.

Starmer for me came across as the person with proper experience able to make challenging decisions. He can build a good team around him. He will slowly but surely execute his plans rather than coming out with short cut gimmicks just before the election.

I really hope he’s our next PM

Absolutely. Rayner would be a better leader of the LP. Starmer is truly awful. Embarrassing really.

Sorry I thought you were referring to all the questions asked.

the football one he was given either or and sort of fudged it

Good summary.

We all saw starmer get outclassed

We certainly saw him shouted down.

YouGov snap poll suggests Sunak 'won' debate, beating Stamer 51% to 49%

Why? What will that do for the future?