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General election 2024

Voting for Reform

652 replies

Behappyandbehave · 04/06/2024 13:34

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

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EasternStandard · 22/06/2024 21:37

DuncinToffee · 22/06/2024 21:27

Going by the FT recently behaviours already changing pre GE outcome

How?

The Nom Dom tax

An MP this morning was asked how they would fund breakfast clubs etc without that funding and he was particularly lost in response

I don't think they’ve contemplated a reduction

Odd as it’s pretty obvious, but they will struggle as so far they only have a couple of very low amount taxes. Both of which result in behaviour change

Doubledenim305 · 22/06/2024 22:15

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 17:02

Other than a pay rise , what would persuade them back into the classrooms?

And what pay rise would be offered ? How do they make teaching attractive for ex or indeed new teachers ?

They are not working in education for a reason... Workload/ awful behaviour/ unrealistic expectations / toxic management to name a few. Nothing to do with money actually.
Until this is addressed they won't be back for a few extra quid in their pay packet.

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 22:39

Doubledenim305 · 22/06/2024 22:15

They are not working in education for a reason... Workload/ awful behaviour/ unrealistic expectations / toxic management to name a few. Nothing to do with money actually.
Until this is addressed they won't be back for a few extra quid in their pay packet.

Agreed .My understanding is teachers are expected to be like social workers now, dealing with poor behaviour and challenging behaviour.
This and parents who think their children can do no wrong , and then slag teachers off on social media for daring to challenge their kids behaviour.
Poor management, lack of support and as you say , unrealistic expectations.

Who would really want to be a teacher nowadays?

So how’s Labour going to change things?

There has been a breakdown in society , there’s a lack of respect for authority.

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/06/2024 22:42

Nigel Farage has been a Putin puppet for a very long time. I am surprised that people are shocked by this.🤷‍♀️

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:16

Maybe Farage believes in keeping your enemies closer..

DuncinToffee · 22/06/2024 23:23

Yeah sure Hmm

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:33

Hes said some home truths, he admired him as an operator which he said before the war.

Be honest. The west are scared of Putin. Labour and the Tories are scared of him.

No one in government has anything of any substance to say to stop Putin , they all just dance around him and hope he’ll go away.

Putin has took the piss out of Britain since the poisonings , in fact there’s been several.

And the UK did nothing , apart from say a few empty words.

Theyre scared of Russia. All of them

DuncinToffee · 22/06/2024 23:46

Right Hmm

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:54

DuncinToffee · 22/06/2024 23:46

Right Hmm

You don’t think that our politicians are scared of Russia? I do

Fawful · 23/06/2024 00:07

"Home truth"? 🤔 Anyway, there's nothing to admire in Putin, full stop. From not giving a shit about whether the crew of the Kursk nuclear submarine lived or died, to his use of repression, imprisonments and poisonings for wrong-think... No one half decent would have any basic respect for him, nevermind fucking admiration. If we can't even agree on that, this country is really screwed.

Fawful · 23/06/2024 00:15

Obviously, they're scared of Russia. It's a hostile state led by a paranoid murderer with a long history of manipulation and disinformation. They'd be stupid to not take it seriously as a threat.

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/06/2024 01:57

Farage isn't scared of Russia. He's a Putin puppet. Has been for a long time, amplifying, admiring, defending and furthering Putin's plans.🤷‍♀️

HRTQueen · 23/06/2024 07:31

yes it’s a bad idea

you are voting to give Nigel Farage some form of power. This is a man who has absolutely no interest in the best for the British public (only a week before deciding to lead Reform he was planning to go to the US as what is happening there is more important) all he is interested in is creating more division, spreading racial hatred and agitating the Tory party who he feels slighted by. This will soon turn to Labour

I truly hope once again he doesn’t win a seat. He doesn’t want to be an MP he has delusions of grandeur. I wonder if his comments about Russia are his own sabotaging though some will agree and many won’t care

bombastix · 23/06/2024 09:28

Putin is a tyrant who think nothing of having his enemies killed or murdered. Including in this country. It is easy to be powerful and strategic if you can just kill people and they are afraid of you. Nigel Farage is a Putin lickspittle, pretending that Putin is some sort of strategic genius. Actually he is a ruthless man who will kill people to get what he wants. These things are not divisible. Expressing admiration for a man like this tells how little Farage cares about democracy or the rule of law really; if he’s Putin’s man in the UK or a cheerleader than he should be reminded of that persistently. I hope the media do that.

DuncinToffee · 23/06/2024 09:39

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:54

You don’t think that our politicians are scared of Russia? I do

They might well be but they are not Putin apologists unlike Farage

Cattenberg · 23/06/2024 16:15

TooBigForMyBoots · 22/06/2024 22:42

Nigel Farage has been a Putin puppet for a very long time. I am surprised that people are shocked by this.🤷‍♀️

I wonder if his ultimate dream is to sit at a table with Trump and Putin?

Fortyin24 · 23/06/2024 22:01

@lightisnotwhite I agree and will be voting for them on this basis as a farming family . Don’t feel like there are any other realistic options, can’t stand NF but I can’t vote Tory or Labour based on what I’ve seen so far

ToWhitToWhoo · 23/06/2024 22:20

Farage has described Andrew Tate as 'an important voice for emasculated men'. This would rule him out for me, even apart from his many other unpleasant views.

1dayatatime · 24/06/2024 00:21

@DramaLlamaBangBang

"Surely because the government is paying to use spare capacity in private hospitals to treat NHS patients, rather than only wealthy people being able to get treatment while everyone else is stuck on a waiting list."

Bizarrely under this scenario the government will be paying the same NHS doctors and surgeons who are also contracting to the private sector.

There is also a big question on how to fund this? Perhaps adding VAT to private health insurance? Given it is worth £5.5 billion, 20% VAT would raise £1.1 billion.

BIossomtoes · 24/06/2024 00:31

1dayatatime · 24/06/2024 00:21

@DramaLlamaBangBang

"Surely because the government is paying to use spare capacity in private hospitals to treat NHS patients, rather than only wealthy people being able to get treatment while everyone else is stuck on a waiting list."

Bizarrely under this scenario the government will be paying the same NHS doctors and surgeons who are also contracting to the private sector.

There is also a big question on how to fund this? Perhaps adding VAT to private health insurance? Given it is worth £5.5 billion, 20% VAT would raise £1.1 billion.

It will be funded from the NHS budget. Treating patients costs money regardless of where it’s done. The issue isn’t the staff, it’s using the facilities - the theatres and scanners and other diagnostic equipment and the NHS won’t be paying market rate.

Zinzinner · 24/06/2024 01:01

Genuinely terrifying seeing their grip on social media especially tik tok. So much misinformation already spread to those who already lack some basic critical thinking skills.its making them seem much popular than they perhaps are, which then emboldens people who were maybe on the fence about whether it wee ok to vote for them for fear of social judgement.

all my POC friends are terrified snd feel really uneasy right now.

EasternStandard · 24/06/2024 06:22

1dayatatime · 24/06/2024 00:21

@DramaLlamaBangBang

"Surely because the government is paying to use spare capacity in private hospitals to treat NHS patients, rather than only wealthy people being able to get treatment while everyone else is stuck on a waiting list."

Bizarrely under this scenario the government will be paying the same NHS doctors and surgeons who are also contracting to the private sector.

There is also a big question on how to fund this? Perhaps adding VAT to private health insurance? Given it is worth £5.5 billion, 20% VAT would raise £1.1 billion.

Adding VAT to private increases the state burden, it’s really not a good way to go if state is stretched already.

Other countries do rebates for this reason it shifts people into paying from disposable income

Idk where the money will come from to pay private rates. I mean tax payer obvs but where the extra funding will be made, the couple of extra taxes tried upon are reducing already.

It’s incredibly expensive to pay private. But then we had PFI last time and the mark up there was extortionate. At least it’s not that high and won’t be delayed for future generations.

Tiredalwaystired · 24/06/2024 07:26

1dayatatime · 24/06/2024 00:21

@DramaLlamaBangBang

"Surely because the government is paying to use spare capacity in private hospitals to treat NHS patients, rather than only wealthy people being able to get treatment while everyone else is stuck on a waiting list."

Bizarrely under this scenario the government will be paying the same NHS doctors and surgeons who are also contracting to the private sector.

There is also a big question on how to fund this? Perhaps adding VAT to private health insurance? Given it is worth £5.5 billion, 20% VAT would raise £1.1 billion.

Same doctors yes, but not on their contracted NHS time. You wouldn’t have had access to them on the NHS within that time period anyway. They are perfectly entitled to take a second job outside contracted hours just as you or I am.

Alexandra2001 · 24/06/2024 07:27

Paul2023 · 22/06/2024 23:54

You don’t think that our politicians are scared of Russia? I do

Sounds like you re a fan.

Scared of Putin? really? perhaps we don't want another European war and we realise that Putin is rather unstable?

We've not capitulated over Ukraine, in fact the opposite, we ve freed up the Black Sea by giving UA long range missiles & all of Europe has poured billions in munitions, even Germany, a slow starter, has given more military and humanitarian aid than anyone, inc the UK.

Russia is stalled on the battlefield.

People like Farage are traitors, Reform are Putin apologists, lead by a man who is only interested in his own personal fortune and power.