How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose? pt2

[frankentall]

Listening to Prof Sir John Curtice this morning - it does seem that there may be hope of a massive Tory defeat. It appears they are polling badly everywhere they really need to do well. Cheered me right up.

To be honest, I've got a bit of the collywobbles about it all. 🤢

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator do you live in the red wall ? I don’t think you realise how pissed off folk are with the Tories and Brexit up here. Farage was the Brexit poster boy. He’s associated with it as well and when his policies are examined in detail, he’s clearly just another Liz Truss. Hopefully he’s a busted flush.

No I don't and would not.

FYI, I've always voted tory since starting work as has my OH and our kids and their families

I too am seriously pissed off like you as they've has 15 years.

The Rwanda BS - it just stoked up racial hatred as to me it reminds me of the 70's -80's and up to mid 90's all thanks to the Tories ranting empty words and no action giving the the ultra right-wing a chance to rear their ugly heads

Labour will make it worse even if they slip in via the back door with a coalition partner/s

Think labour might struggle in Scotland and Wales but England fine

i think it’s down to people thinking the grass is greener but I very much doubt it is

I'm pretty certain tories will not go into number 10 now. However, the socialists Labour will only slip in via the back door with a coalition partner/s.

Well, let's see on the 5th of July, shall we? A coalition by the way isn't 'slipping in by the back door'. It's a completely legitimate outcome of an election when the electorate choose to give no single party a majority. It's part of the joys of democracy and it is disrespectful to this democratic country to insinuate that there is anything illegitimate about it.

Also never mind, it won't happen. Farage might take a tiny sprinkle of votes from Labour, but he will take a lot of votes from the Tories.

And on current polling, Labour don't even need Scotland. Which doesn't matter because they're likely to get swathes of Scotland in any case.

The representative from a polling company said on the radio yesterday evening that the Tories are doing worse and worse every time polling is carried out.

She wouldn't comment on the details of the poll coming out later that day except to say it would be worse than the last one for the Conservatives.

When asked 'If the last election was a landslide, what term would you use for this one?' she replied, 'an extinction level event'.

Oh happy day.

Blair was a champagne socialist. The day he was elected, he ripped off his Labour mask, but did just enough to make people think he cared about them. He awarded himself a massive pay rise when he was re-elected. He knew exactly how to play the system; he wooed people with his charm and charisma. To me, this is a much more dangerous politician than somebody dull like Starmer. (Johnson also played the "vote for me, I'm charming and charismatic", but he was much less careful.) Only much later did we see him for the liar and schemer that he was, when like so many others, he forgot the difference between himself, and God. And now, he has faced precisely zero consequences for his huge lie, and mass murder, and he's incredibly wealthy, instead of in prison where he belongs.

Well we don’t even have a Tory candidate running yet since our MP stood down!
Our town would vote Tory even if the local flasher was the candidate 🙄

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator As a lifelong Tory voter do you feel responsible for the Rwanda debacle, the racial hatred it has stoked up, the party's empty words and lack of action?

Do you feel that as someone who has spent a lifetime backing these people (who now, after 15 years, you admit make you 'seriously pissed off) there is just the tiniest chance that your judgement about how other parties will behave if in government might be wrong?

I mean, you've been wrong all this time. Could you be wrong now?

No!!

HTH

Eh? Wales is very strongly Labour!

You get die-hard voters and alot more of them IMO for the socialist lead, Labour
I left work about 10 yrs ago aged just over 50 but in my earlier days at work when Labour got luck and got in - at the next GE, the older voters I noted that were what I call, die-hard voters who would vote for Labour even if a Jackass was put forward.

Our service was aimed at the trial, lower end of wealth and I expect mainly Labour but the older people often said it, they could not vote other than Labour

Never heard that said about the Tories

Labour will make it worse even if they slip in via the back door with a coalition partner/s
@DistinguishedSocialCommentator Stop posting this "back door" shit.
The back door by which we had to endure dross like Truss being in charge is the real democratic deficit, not the (increasingly remote) chance of a hung parliament. You have been told this repeatedly. It is disrespectful.

Labour won three elections on the trot - that's not getting lucky, that's getting voted in. Democratically.

The data contradicts what you are saying about older voters - they have historically voted Conservative. That trend now seems to have changed.

Distinguished Social Commentator - A poster who is proud to have spent a lifetime voting for a party who piss her off and yet has no doubts about her judgement.

Well you obviously don’t live where I live!! Take the last GE as an example,the Tories voted in BJ fully aware that he was an odious twerp but still voted for him.
So I do think that some Tories have a similar mentality to some Labour voters !

Very confident indeed @frankentall.

I think it will be extinction level because pensioners aside there is not one other group in the electorate that is indicating they will vote Conservative. They are toast. On both sides.

Reform will however take the racialism vote that has otherwise been indulged by the Tories. So the Tory Party have no purpose left at all. They have given away all their policies to other parties. They are high tax, bad public services and incompetent economically. They are done, and so too is their vote for a decade. A much more racially charged right wing is coming.

Even the local die hard pro Tory Farmers have finally had enough of them and haven't put their vote conservative banners up this year- they've caused too much damage all round

Not confident enough. I'm old and cynical but I live in hope!

"well obviously," I don't!!

I think that as shocking as Brexit is / was, the number of votes needed could be marginal either way. As for Trump, Americans are very different. America is a very right wing country to begin with.

I agree with the majority of this except, was Boris Johnson ever charming?

Yes. I think Labour will deliver a landslide majority. I think the Conservatives will be decimated. What will fill the vacuum will look a lot more right wing so I hope Labour don't lean into the socially progressive policies favoured by the left-left otherwise I foresee a shit-show ahead.