If you agree with the so called National Service proposals

[Outdoorsygirl1]

Would you still agree if it applied to everyone over 18 not just 18 year olds?

So everyone able bodied over 18 had to either complete a year in the military or undertake 24 days of unpaid work.

If not then why not?

It was 17-21 in the old days - who's to say they wouldn't change it!

But if it applied to everyone, then would you still support it.

If not why not?

No i don't agree with it. My 19 year old said he'd go to prison over join the armed forces.

And if there's work to be done then pay someone to do it.

I might not find many especially on here who actually support it.

But I'm interested with anyone who does whether they'd still support it if it applied to the entire adult population.

If I did 24 days of voluntary work per year I’d be cutting back! Hahaha

I already do more than 24 days unpaid work as a volunteer, as do many other people. You can easily do that by volunteering for something like Guides or Scouts. Both are crying out for volunteers, as are many charities.

If it applied to the entire adult population, it would grind society to a halt because adults have jobs. It’s not a reasonable comparison. If you read the information properly, you will see that it’s not just military - it’s NHS, fire service, policing for 25 days. Serving your country is a great thing to do, and will foster a sense of national unity and empathy that could be very useful. Whether it actually works out is another thing, but it would be great to see this sort of thing go on for longer so people pick up skills as well as values.

Of course, but then so do lots of 18 year olds.

But that's not the question I asked.

I don't think that you read my op properly. I said either the military or 24 days of unpaid work.

18 year olds are adults and also have jobs. Either full time or part time around studying.

Lots of adults of all ages are not in any type of work.

The NHS, police etc are flat out as it is. Who will supervise all these 18 year olds? What will they actually do? Or cynical as ever here would they just be used to save money on cleaners, weeding paths etc?

Where's the cut off though? Everyone over 18 including 70+ because that's a different question to say 18-30 or 40. And are you suggesting exemptions such as disability or caring responsibility.

I absolutely don't support the idea at all but can almost hear the boomers chanting in support of it.

Genuinely confused by Rishis logic on this, a year in the military or 24 days unpaid work. That's a massive difference!

I don't know. Up to retirement age. Every able bodied adult. I don't know.

I'm just very interested to hear why if it's god for 18 year old adults to complete 24 days of compulsory unpaid work why it should not apply to every adult.

I don't see a problem with it being say 18 to 25 year old or even 30. Would have benefitted my children immensely. And they agree with it too.

if it was not for the consequence on the workforce and productivity, which was mentioned by PP, yes, i think it is a good idea for everyone above 18 to do some volunteering in the community - at least once everyone who already works FT can afford a decent living.

I work FT and do about 24 days per month already via charities i work for and community mentoring.

I fully support the idea that those of school leaving age should do "something", but completely disagree with that being armed forces or other services such as the police.

Volunteering is very good for people, hence why it's looked upon so favourably by employers/Universities etc. There are lots of opportunities for volunteering and good causes and that needs to be expanded. Lots of charities, museums, etc always looking for volunteers

I think something like extending the DofE scheme would be good as that already includes an element of volunteering/skills learning etc. Maybe extend it, but make the camping element voluntary which probably puts off a lot of people.

Why the age cut off though.

There are lots of adults over 25 and 30 who could benefit in the same way that the younger adults could benefit.

Unsure why you’re being rude, my comment on reading properly was directed at a previous poster whose son said he’d go to jail over military service. Clearly you don’t plan on having a good faith conversation.

I like the Israeli model a lot, but having more varied options as in this plan by Sunak makes it more viable in the UK.

It's one day a month volunteering.

I would do that.

I think everyone who is happy to vote for 18 year olds to be forced to do it should have to do it themselves too. Maybe we should be saying if you want a pension (either now or in future) you have to volunteer for 24 days a year? Reckon it'd be a lot less popular then.
And no I don't support slave labour. Which is what this is. It's not voluntary if you're forced.

Got to start somewhere. It would be easier to start with school leavers, get systems set up, etc., and then expand it as time passes. Would be a massive challenge to set up for much larger numbers of people. Walk before you run!

Sorry, I also mis read your OP. Yes, anyone of working age. I'd do it. No problem and I'm not far off retirement.

@Asthebellcurves I am not being rude. Usually when someone replies they quote the pit or name the poster they are replying to. So I thought you were replying to my op.

I think its a great idea.

Quite

Too much namby pamby business going on these days. We need more of a get on with it attitude in this country.