If you agree with the so called National Service proposals

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Would you still agree if it applied to everyone over 18 not just 18 year olds?

So everyone able bodied over 18 had to either complete a year in the military or undertake 24 days of unpaid work.

If not then why not?

A gimmick to appeal to the grey vote.

There are 900,000 15-24 year olds who are NEET. Up by almost 100,00 from same time last year.

There are an army of dedicated professionals in Further Education and local authorities trying to support and engage these young people in education or training.

WHO and how do the Tory's think they would get them in to volunteering or the services.

So far out of touch it's embarrassing.

I'm not sure it will appeal to the "grey vote" .

@wombat15 the ' National Service! That's what they need- do 'em good' brigade.

Most older people know people who did national service and/or were in the second world war. Army conscription is not seen as a good thing by anyone a memory of it.

Maybe free-giving - as a carer for young children, as a carer for disabled children or elderly parents, as a volunteer in your community is financially beneficial but ideologically threatening.

Hence the drive to place our children in childcare, old people in adult care and make volunteering compulsory.

The people that now run the charity sector make big bucks but staff are minimum wage or volunteer. Go figure.

So what would 18 year olds do with their current jobs? I know when I was 18 at uni and working part time I didn't have much time to squeeze in much else.

Personally, I'd love to have done it and think it's a great idea. I do about 24 days a year with the emergency services at 35 years old and love it. Not at the expense of my job or family life and it's of huge benefit to my self confidence and sense of community.
I also don't see anything wrong with those volunteers being used as cleaners and dogs bodies, someone has to do it. I did farm work as a kid and there's a lot of honesty in a days work carrying shit from A to B and back again.
Still won't vote Tory tho.

That's what no one seems to be able to answer. What makes 18 year olds attractive Ito employers is that they take the weekend work.

Will employers be compelled to give them every forth weekend off to complete their unpaid work.

Surely that will make 18 year olds less employable?

I’m against it . Haven’t known one person who is 18 and gone on to further education not to already work the weekends . So the Government would have to compensate them for loss of earnings. Never mind all the expenses it would cost the Gov for the travel costs incurred to get to the placements . Not everyone lives central .

This is from the national press

I can see some benefits. But I'm not keen on having young females forced to serve in the military where the hierarchy, predominance of male superiors and lack of independent legal scrutiny leads to high risk of sexual harassment and abuse.

Looks very much like Tory are shooting themselves in the foot. I am guessing most traditional Tory voters would vote against them on this.

Tory kids tend to favour uni over army.

For the PP who asked about NCS it still runs and is brilliant.
My eldests was cancelled due to it being 2020 but my youngest loved it. A week away and a week volunteering which she got so much from and made good friends

But thats not what is on offer.

I'd be all for a properly funded training/work experience scheme for long term unemployed, where people could earn more than their benefits and learn a skill, one employers want, fail to attend = loss of benefits.

But what Sunak wants is for 670,000 18yo's to do 24 days per year, doing what exactly? with no sanction.

Do you seriously think anyone in authority (i.e a charity sector volunteer) is going to instill a sense of discipline in your nephew? after you haven't managed it and i'm sure you've tried.

Students abroad will have to do "volunteering"? Carers? Nurses on NHS placements?

You couldn't make this up, well Rishi Sunak has.

This is almost as bad as that Tory guy who wanted to put GPS tracking in all knife handles.

That was me! Thanks for the update. When DD did it about 10 years ago it was 4 weeks.
Two weeks of team and confidence building exercises and two weeks organising and executing a charity fundraiser.