Entitled Tory whilst putting down labour voters

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Name changed friend is on here. Recently spent time with friend from years back.

Staunch Tory. Doesn't want Labour in because doesn't want to pay for more 'scroungers on benefits '.

However, completely feels its ok for her mothers care home fees of almost £1000 per week to be paid by the taxpayer. (Property was popped in trust for her around 10 years ago so early inheritance to avoid potential fees later). Mum then lived there with her husband who still lives there.

Loaded and using taxpayer money to suit own ends. Double standards and feels it OK for care fees to be paid but not for families on benefits. Made me think much less of her. The entitled attitude that mum and dad paid in so free care a right (her mother never worked). The attitude that inheritance should be kept and not used for care.

Extremely scathing of low paid workers (should have worked harder at school and gone to University). She didn't, just married a man who was successful.

I'm shocked at her opinions and attitudes to others that are less well off and struggling.

Surely the fact she's a staunch Tory should have clued you in a fuck of a long time ago🤔

This attitude seems common in Tory voters. People on benefits are scroungers. Yet ignore what they take. As people age do some become more Tory eg the grey vote is more Tory hence they target older people

I suggested that everyone doesn't get the same life choices. She totally doesn't get that at all.

I don't think you researched deprivation of assets laws before coming on to be goady about your Tory friend.

(I'm a member of the Labour Party but what you are saying about the carehome fees, the trust, and the husband still living there cannot be true)

I can hand on heart say I will never vote Tory. She sounds like a twat. Amazing the double standards isn't it. But I suppose if you've never faced severe poverty you can excuse yourself for disgusting views I guess 🤷

If the husband still lives there the value of the home is disregarded anyway. So they are doing nothing wrong there, to be fair.

The double standards are very frustrating, deliberately avoiding tax and a parent who has never paid into the system but, yep, it’s all those poor scroungers who are the problem. You won’t change her mind so don’t try.
I have one friend who I know will vote Tory, we just don’t talk about politics at all.

So all Tories are hypocrites? If only everyone was as fair and lovely as Labour voters.
Fwiw, I am a Tory voter and I have already said on inheritance threads I think pensioner benefits/rules need to be looked at because it's manifestly unfair that younger people are being asked to pay more tax to fund eg heating allowances and bus passes for those who will probably have more disposable income than young families.
However, social care is a difficult one and is going to have to be reformed. But rich younger people are not compelled to pay if they are admitted to hospital, and there's not a lot iof difference really.
Probably the fairest thing is people who can have to pay up to a cap. But then you will get other complaint that someone who has not saved when they could have done will be advantaged. It's not an easy issue to solve and I am glad I don't have to.
What are Labour's plans re social care funding?

We never talked politics before. It came up due to general election announcement on day we met up.

I don't generally ask political questions of people. She said she is a 'staunch tory' in conversation, I was shocked.

How long have you known about her opinions of "scroungers on benefits"?

We haven't met in months and usually once a year. I didn't know her views. Drinking wine, opinions flowed.

What your friend calls “scroungers on benefits” some might call lifestyle choices. It is a choice not to work hard at school and not to get a job / go to uni (except of course medical / SEN issues) whether that is the persons own choice or their parents. It’s still a fact that some people are ambitious and work hard (from all backgrounds) and some don’t (from all backgrounds). People in far less privileged countries that ours are ambitious- in low income countries where school is a room and a blackboard kids value education as means to better themselves and escape poverty. Schools may not be perfect here but the fundamental thing holding people back is student’s and parent’s attitudes. It’s not funding, money my helps but without a willing approach it can make up for an unwillingness to learn.
I also strongly object to paying for healthcare for people who have chosen to smoke or chosen to be obese- this seems entirely rational to me but if I said it out loud you’d think I’d murdered a baby or something.

It's true.

Go check. Husband doesn't own any share of home, he moved in on marriage so not his home. Cannot kick him out so asset not touched. This us 💯 correct. It's a loophole.

Deprivation of assets 10 years prior to care home and before marriage given half house to daughter. No other siblings. She's right.

I'm not goady about this, shocked though on attitude to benefit claiming people. Should have realised the go to for some mn is to suggest goading. Why not just check yourself, it's true.

Half in trust on death of first husband 10 years ago.

https://www.winstonsolicitors.co.uk/protecting-assests-from-care-home-fees.html

2nd husband non owner and cannot be pushed out

Who has increased the number of people on benefits the most? Tory governments, especially in the 1980s.

I'm not Labour or Tory. I'm not very political so not a subject that usually comes up. Lunch with wine and general election chat. Was just shocked, I'd not really thought she'd be so black and white. I voted Green last time and I'm what would be referred to as a person that changes vote or doesn't always vote.

I've received child benefit, and years ago some child tax credit as my friend would have. I feel some take advantage of benefits but don't feel that applies to all by any means. I believe in striving for your own rewards so I'm a bit in admiration of her saving her inheritance whilst shocked at her attitude to people on benefits in general.

I think I'll stick to non talking about politics it's easier 🙄

I didn't know this.

So all Tories are hypocrites?

Many (if not most) of them are, yes.

If only life was so simple as you seem to think it is.
I think there are a lot of MN posters who are going to be very disappointed if/when Labour win the election and life doesn't change in the way some seem convinced it will.
Both parties have good and bad policies and branding one side entirely as hypocrites, uncaring, nasty etc is childish in the extreme.
Labour made some pretty unpleasant policies last time round which we are still paying for such as PFI and tuition fees which seem to be brushed under the carpet in a way they would never be if they were Tory policies. Plenty of Labour MPs are millionaires and let's not forget hypocrites such as Dianne Abbott (private school) and Angela Raynor (property tax).
The bottom line is they're all as bad or good as each other.

Labour voters seem convinced in their moral superiority, to the extent that they feel it’s okay to poor vitriol on people who think there is a better way of managing the economy. it’s a very unpleasant and naive approach. Like the op being ‘shocked’ that her friend would vote conservative, how ridiculous! Voting conservative is a totally normal, reasonable and acceptable thing to do, (one which an n majority of people have done since wwii) even if you yourself differ.

People vote conservative because they understand that without a strong economy it doesn’t matter what lovely ideas you have if you can’t pay for them!! It was Labour that introduced tuition fees (and will not doubt add vat onto them too) it was labour’s overspending and lack of prudence that lead to the need for cut backs under the tories in the first place. It was Labour who lead the scandal of pfi- which is a gargantuan problem! It was the Tories who introduced same sex marriage and the furlough scheme. Labour under Corbyn hold equal responsibility for Brexit - they didn’t fight to stay in the eu in any meaningful way.

personally I dislike Labour because I think they mismanage the economy and they don’t support ambition- they seem to positively dislike people who want to do well and despise successful institutions. They’d rather bring everything down to the same level in the name of ‘fairness’ than encourage growth. There’s a spitefulness too, a delight in punishing success.

Oh grow up OP.

And I personally don't believe your little story for even a second but if this person does exist then why on earth do you refer to her as a friend as you clearly are no friend of hers. 🙄

Seriously what's your problem. Why on earth would I make it up, to be insulted by people.

Are you really still a Tory voter? In this election? Do you really, really think the Tories are the best option this time around?

I can understand people who voted for the Tories a few years ago - we have massively different views of the world, but that's life. But to look at the last five years and think they've done a good job, and want more of the same... 🤡

I'm not shocked she votes Conservative. I'm not shocked people vote Labour. I'm not shocked people vote Green etc etc etc. Never said I was. I vary my vote living in a seat that changes hands and is currently Tory.

I'm shocked that she said she getting free care home fees whilst moaning about scroungers. I didn't ask her to define scroungers to be fair.

I have no idea but to be 'shocked'that someone votes a different way to you is ridiculous!