Entitled Tory whilst putting down labour voters

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Name changed friend is on here. Recently spent time with friend from years back.

Staunch Tory. Doesn't want Labour in because doesn't want to pay for more 'scroungers on benefits '.

However, completely feels its ok for her mothers care home fees of almost £1000 per week to be paid by the taxpayer. (Property was popped in trust for her around 10 years ago so early inheritance to avoid potential fees later). Mum then lived there with her husband who still lives there.

Loaded and using taxpayer money to suit own ends. Double standards and feels it OK for care fees to be paid but not for families on benefits. Made me think much less of her. The entitled attitude that mum and dad paid in so free care a right (her mother never worked). The attitude that inheritance should be kept and not used for care.

Extremely scathing of low paid workers (should have worked harder at school and gone to University). She didn't, just married a man who was successful.

I'm shocked at her opinions and attitudes to others that are less well off and struggling.

I don't generally ask political questions of people. She said she is a 'staunch tory' in conversation, I was shocked

This is what you actually said so...

I've never heard her talk this way before, hence my shock. It was more the way she chatted about finding a way to avoid care fees whilst being unkind about others. Oh well, such is life.

Yes, I generally don't ask. They announced a general election, therefore a talking point at our lunch. People on here are odd, do you not have lunch and chat about topics that are current 😳. Wine flows and views on who would get in ... I came away feeling I didn't know her that well. She is usually not that outspoken.

For the doubting Thomas'

"The value of your former home is disregarded from the financial assessment for as long as your partner remains living in it, after you move into permanent residential care. It can also be disregarded if a relative lives there, depending on their circumstances."

Many people don't contribute to care fees

I'm NOT SHOCKED SHE SOMETIMES VOTES A DIFFERENT WAY TO ME.

I'm SHOCKED SHE SAYS PEOPLE ARE SCROUNGERS WHILST HAPPILY ACCEPTING FREE CARE HOME FEES WHILST MOANING ABOUT WHAT OTHERS TAKE. She found a loophole, that's fine, many do.

IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND ?

It might help if you READ what I said rather than guessing.

My PIL are Tory’s and Brexiteers who moan about benefit scrounges and all the foreign people taking “our jobs”. They also both do little “cash in hand” jobs, dog walking/sitting/gardening and caravan storage, which earn them hundreds a week and they never pay any tax on.

They also seem to think it’s the states job to provide everything, medical wise. So they need a hand rail for a few steps up to their front door for FIL, they’re waiting for the council to get in touch with them, as they think it’s the councils job to provide, pay and fit it. They live in an old farm house worth over £1m and have great pensions, plus cash from their little jobs. They make me so angry.

Lizzie. Maybe you need to dob your relatives into the HMRC ? After all , if all our taxes go to ' benefit scroungers' ( according to them ) then it's your moral duty to report a few who may not be paying tax on any undeclared earnings?
Might not get you anywhere , but if they are not practicing what they preach , they might need a reminder ?
I appreciate it's easier said than done especially to any family members , but it must be grating that you know it's happening and they are not paying their way , yet moaning about everyone else. It's the double standards of it all :(

Haha. It isn't just Tories who are capable of hypocrisy, it is all around, and in all shades of the political spectrum.

And you didn't spend years with Nadine Dorries as your MP.

You are being ridiculous. May be seek therapy to deal with what is going on in your mind.

No idea who this is aimed at. Not sure anyone on this thread intends to kill a tory?

personally I dislike Labour because I think they mismanage the economy

What a pity you’re wrong.

https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368

@LizzieSiddal I think you would find that there are hypocrites from every walk of life. I personally have bad experiences with people who are very left wing and do cash in hand jobs but want the higher earners to pay more tax so there you are. In reality the money collected from taxes is for everyone not just the poorest. It is a misunderstanding that it is only for the poorer. Politicians should also protect everyone in society this way we also do not end up in this ridiculous toxic culture wars we are having.

Blossomtoes - did you read the article, and, more importantly look at the graphs? The comments are revealing too.

Labour are like so called ‘Disney dads’, they get the kids every so often, have a great time treating them, and spending money regardless of the consequences then build up the debt and then hand them back to the tories who have to be the big meanie and put the over-tired, hyped up on sugar kids to bed and sort everything out. (Having made sure they’ve done their homework because dad didn’t).

So often Labour overspend and then the tories do the responsibile thing and cut back - which makes them unpopular and then just as things are back on track Labour get in again.

People vote conservative because they understand that without a strong economy it doesn’t matter what lovely ideas you have if you can’t pay for them!!
Our economy is in a pretty shocking state after 14 years of Conservative rule. Thinking in particular, but not exclusively of Liz Truss.

it was labour’s overspending and lack of prudence that lead to the need for cut backs under the tories in the first place.
A global economic recession caused this.

I dislike Labour because ......they don’t support ambition- they seem to positively dislike people who want to do well and despise successful institutions.
The last time Labour were in power they doubled funding for every pupil in school in England, pupils achieved their best results ever at 14, 16 & 18, Labour employed 26,000 more teachers and over a quarter of a million teaching assistants, got record numbers of students into higher education and doubled the number of apprenticeships, cut youth unemployment by 75% and introduced New Deal that helped 1.8million people into work.

£290 million - Rwanda deal
£2.3 billion - cancelled parts of HS2 project
£15 billion - unused and unusable PPE
Nightingale hospitals
£1.7million - painting PM's plane
£50 million - Tory helicopter
£6 billion p.a. - tax allowed to go unpaid via avoidance schemes

Church view - yes Labour increased funding - in an unsustainable way that then had to be cut back.

I’m not against the Rwanda scheme, it’s the thought of people losing their lives in the channel because they are fleeing France that breaks my heart.

I don’t know anything about planes and helicopters- but presumably Keir would stick to public transport and spend days travelling to international conferences on trains?

nightingale - we had to prepare for the worst at a time of great uncertainty (I’m surprised you don’t remember) thank goodness they weren’t needed!

If this is true and I expect there will be similar posts to this in the next 6 weeks, why are you so bothered if you only meet up once a year!

These posts are so transparent.

Agree with your post, refreshing to read such a balanced view.

I agree with @Meadowtrees. Buying nice things is easy to do, it's paying for them that's the problem. Which is why there is seemingly a spiral of Labour spending and being applauded for it then Tories reigning spending in as it's not sustainable and being pilloried for it.
Rwanda - what's your suggestion to discourage people from risking lives crossing the Channel? Do you not think they might think twice if they knew they would not be allowed to stay?
HS2 - This was originally a Labour project thar the Tories should never have taken on. Unnecessary and expensive. If they had kept going they would have been criticised and they are criticised for putting a stop to it.
PPE and Nighingale Hospitals - now this really annoys me. It's like we have all forgotten what it was like at the beginning of the pandemic. It's ridiculous to say money was spent on nightingale Hospitals that weren't needed. We didn't have a crystal ball. With hindsight, we thankfully didn't need NH and PPE should have been responsibly sourced, but what do you think should have happened? Ignore crying nurses posing in bin bags to go through months long procurement processes? Allow Hospitals to turn people away? Because of course Labour would have endorsed both if these action ...
Plane and helicopter - presumably if the need for both of these things had occurred next year, Saint Kier would not have signed them then?
Tax Avoidence schemes. I agree with this. But it is not a uniquely Tory issue and happened under the last Labour government, which also did nothing to stop it

nightingale Hospitals that weren't needed. We didn't have a crystal ball.
You didn't need a crystal ball to know there just weren't the staff to run them.

what's your suggestion to discourage people from risking lives crossing the Channel?
A decent, thoughtful and long term collaboration with other countries and an efficient way of processing people in the system.

PPE should have been responsibly sourced
Not by giving contracts to Tory mates including the landlord of Matt Hancock's local pub....but then he was too busy groping his assistant in the office to do the job properly.

Tax Avoidence schemes. I agree with this. But it is not a uniquely Tory issue and happened under the last Labour government, which also did nothing to stop it.
The Tories have had 14 years to stop it. 14 years - and only now, days before an election do they present it as a possibility....when there's no chance of them actually winning the election and having to upset their rich pals by actually rolliing out an effective policy for enacting the plan.

Defend the Tories all you like @Katypp , be we can all look around us and see the state of the NHS, public services, the roads, education, the economy......we are living the results of Tory policy.

I am not especially defending the Tories, but nor am I naive enough to think that (a) Labour would have behaved any differently in any of your scenarios and (b) there will be any material difference to most people's lives after July 4, which ever way the vote goes.
Not necessarily referencing you, but there seems to get a growing opinion on MN that under Labour, everyone earning £20k more than them (AKA 'The Rich') will be funding endless public spending and the world will be a better place. It won't.

The world was definitely a better place the last time Labour were in power.

https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/labours-top-50-achievements/

There very much was a material difference to people's lives. It might not be the same this time around but, given the terrible state of the economy and public services now, change has to be a better bet than more of the same doesn't it? I cannot imagine how life will be in this country if we have another 5 years of the Tories.

If the Tories had spent the last 14 years wisely they could be campaigning now on all their successes. The fact that they cannot and are resorting to too late promises and ridiculous schemes speaks volumes of their performance.

Many people are happy to pay fair taxes in order to fund public services. I always have been. For me, that is the point of society.

When you're not doing so well, vote for a better life for yourself. If you are doing quite nicely, vote for a better life for others.

Sorry @churchview but if you take that list at face value, you are not thinking critically.
Many were overspending that Labour did not have to correct and pfi schemes that we are still paying for now. As I said. Buying nice things is easy but paying for them, not so much.
I could equally say furlough, big pension rises, gay marriage and cost of living payments.
It is just cherry picking but unfortunately a lot of Labour supporters are blinded by their party's untested fabulousness and don't engage brain.