Entitled Tory whilst putting down labour voters

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Name changed friend is on here. Recently spent time with friend from years back.

Staunch Tory. Doesn't want Labour in because doesn't want to pay for more 'scroungers on benefits '.

However, completely feels its ok for her mothers care home fees of almost £1000 per week to be paid by the taxpayer. (Property was popped in trust for her around 10 years ago so early inheritance to avoid potential fees later). Mum then lived there with her husband who still lives there.

Loaded and using taxpayer money to suit own ends. Double standards and feels it OK for care fees to be paid but not for families on benefits. Made me think much less of her. The entitled attitude that mum and dad paid in so free care a right (her mother never worked). The attitude that inheritance should be kept and not used for care.

Extremely scathing of low paid workers (should have worked harder at school and gone to University). She didn't, just married a man who was successful.

I'm shocked at her opinions and attitudes to others that are less well off and struggling.

And don’t forget all the young and not so young lives destroyed in Blair’s wars.

I do not want to vote conservative, but I do find that Labour supporters use such vile language in describing Tory voters… slithering from under rocks/c**ts/twats/racists etc. It makes me afraid of a Labour government if that is the type of bullying language they use.
Or maybe that’s just on mumsnet? 🤷‍♀️

I did read what you said and quoted it back to you upthread. Everyone else can see it too so no not sure why you are shouting at me.

Labour increased funding - in an unsustainable way that then had to be cut back.

They didn’t. What part of global recession don’t you understand? And, despite Cameron and Osborn’s slash and burn of public spending, borrowing actually rose.

Because I have said several times I'm not shocked how she votes but what she said to me.

Her comments on denigrating scroungers whilst happily taking care home fees paid by taxpayers are not unusual to others obviously, but shocked me. I mistakenly assumed her statement was shocking but its not to others. I'm obviously naive. I obviously didn't know her very well.

I've read but not commented on several election threads and supporters of all parties seem to use particular 'language' or derogatory terms against other parties. Its not just one set of supporters but many.

I will stick my neck out and say that is not true. If you can find any thread where a Conservative follower calls a Labour follower a cunt or a twat I will happily be corrected.
From my observations, it seems thar there is a contingent of Labour voters who think they are so right that all decency goes out of the window. I am a lot more likely to listen to someone who does not call me names.

Exactly!
It shows little intelligence if name calling is the only argument Labour supporters have.
I’d also be interested to be shown a screenshot of someone calling Labour voters “cu**s” and “twats “ and describe them as slithering from rocks.

Well said Katypp!

Yes - it doesn't happen.

And unfortunately this shuts down any meaningful debate as those who might be considering voting conservative are just shut down and told they are racist.
This will make some people even more entrenched in their views. Surely the power of debate is that you persuade people through reasoned argument to change their point of view. If you just call them names it’s frightening/aggressive and non productive.
Personally I will not be voting Labour purely because I feel the majority of supporters display bullying tactics.

I'm not calling anyone any of those names. I've been insulted, told I'm making this up, and various other things as well.

I'm neither Tory or Labour. I've seen alsorts of abuse and now apparently I use a word I've never use in my life "c....' I've never used it. I started a thread due to my shock at a view held by a friend, albeit a more casual friend now and the rubbish that is being spouted to me is ridiculous.

I'll ignore future posts since unbelievable rubbish is being chucked at me.

errrr I never said you did!

this was a general observation about labour supporters but had obviously slightly derailed your thread for which I apologise!

I've never called you any names and don't support a particular party.

Ah I misunderstood you. Sorry. Those terms I'd never use. Probably a bit touchy since I've been accused of making it up, like I'm a troll or something. I'm not. I was genuinely shocked at the conversation and posted, I won't again 😂it's not worth it.

I never said you did. I was talking about Labour supporters on MN.

I'm on benefits and voted Tory, not sure why anyone thinks Labour are going to be easier with money when they have already said they aren't.

I vote for what I believe will benefit my children's future, not mine.

I think its pointless lumping all voters the same.

Though I'm not sure, who I'm voting for yet.

That's quite the short list you have there compared.
I wouldn't be so rude as to say that you're not thinking critically or that you don't engage your brain, but I would suggest that the Tories have made a total hash of the economy, so the old 'but Labour spend money' argument is a bit pot/kettle.

@Churchview do you seriously think I am going to think/type out 50 points?!

My staunch Labour parents in law did this OP
As did my staunch Labour parents in laws neighbours. All of them. Discussing over tea at the WI.

Its what people do to keep money for their kids.
My MIL still had to pay a lot as they had some in savings. About £80,000 I think to her care home. More than others in her home who paid nothing. She was the only one paying from savings.

No I don't think or expect that @Katypp , but after 14 years and just before an election, the Tories should be campaigning on their list of successes. They should have this out in the public domain so that people like you and I don't have to sit and think, 'What have the Tories done for us?'

They haven't done this because they cannot. That's why they're scratching around saying, 'but Labour' and promising tax cuts for pensioners (who would rather have a functioning NHS) and appeasing ex Tories who are heading to Reform with half cocked National Service nonsense.

To answer your original question, I suppose the potential difference in the two scenarios is that working-age benefits could, in some cases, be seen as a lifestyle choice (ie my friend works three days a week and gets uc, she could work full time and get no uc) and care homes are unavoidable and are an extension of health care.
Care costs are something I am really conflicted about tbh. On one hand, it's awful that families should suddenly be expected to pay massive fees when healthcare is supposed to be free (I know it's paid for by taxes) but on the other hand, it seems fundamentally unfair that people with a lot of money in the bank do not contribute in some way and don't have to sell their asset.
It's another example of pensioners being treated differently to other sectors of society. But then inheritance money passed down generations helps the economy. I don't know

So where do people suggest a spouse goes to live when one spouse has to go in to FT residential care?

I don't think the house has to be sold when there is a surviving spouse still living in it @ViciousCurrentBun but I may be wrong

This is proper desperate. It reads like here is a nonsense party political broadcast for the Labour Party 😂

My DB is a very similar character. Tory and on the right of the Tory set, but his family should be entitled to everything.