National Service if Tories are re-elected

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Thoughts? 🍿

But they're doing it voluntarily. Which means they can leave any time they like, rather than be subjected to a legal restriction purely because of when they were born.

So if they're that keen on being forced by the state to do any of these things for a set period, that can apply to them too. I'll be magnanimous and say the ones who are already volunteering can stay with their existing placements. But they'll have their choice removed for a set period, exactly as they want to do to others.

Rishi probably want to lose his seat as well as the election, much easier to just pop off to the next thing then

@Salacia exactly

it not just Saturday jobs! Many young people will be in full time employment! Are they meant to work all week then work at the weekend too? Or do they give up their job for a year and claim benefits or the scheme covers the cost??

The army is pretty good at logistics. I'm fairly sure the transport objection can be solved....

Exemptions for things like working on farm etc. Like in the past.

The TA has a system re leave from jobs to serve.

We don't even have to reinvent the wheel..we just copy another country or from how we used to do it ourselves. I'm fairly sure all these objections will have been considered before and solved.

Can you think of a factor that's common to both Ukraine and Israel that isn't remotely applicable in the UK? I'll give you a clue, it involves neighbours and a lack of national frontiers.

A policy he knows he won’t enact just like Labour won’t bring in votes for 16 year olds. It’s an easy one to say but one that will ultimately fall by the wayside once the election is over.

They’re riling up both sides with these pissant soundbite policies and still not talking about the really important stuff… like tax, the NHS, education, the state of the country as a whole…

We are in NATO though and a few NATO countries have borders with Russia.

Which is fine, but a different point.

Who do you think will be invading the UK? And wasn't the last time it happened 1066?

Not really. Article 5

I think loads of them would just get a fit note from the doctor saying they couldn’t do it because they’re anxious/bad back/sad/can’t be arsed etc etc. Basically, the only ones who’ll end up doing it, will be the ones who would have got jobs anyway. The lazy bones who would have claimed benefits since leaving school will still find a way to get out of it and claim their benefits 🤷‍♀️

I think if there's one thing we can be certain of, it's that absolutely none of this will have been considered before Rishi came out with it...

Yes I agree with you completely on that point!

You see, I just don't get the "war is an inevitable part if the human cycle thing".

After WW2 there was great emphasis on avoiding those horrors again. Nobody in their right mind surely wants that scenario.

The only thing war is good for is lining the pockets of the industrial military complex and anyone else with a snout in the trough, and bugger the collateral damage eh?

Em was it not 1940 - battle of britain when Germany invaded us?

I think you are spot on. He wants out, he doesn’t care about the people of the country and he just wants out, lock, stock and barrel (ie not even having the Tories in at all anymore). He just wants to be left in peace to count his billions.

As an adult, how would you react and what questions would you have if someone said you had to do 25 days volunteering in a year?

They didn’t invade, they tried to but failed

The biggest recruiting ground for the army is young men in the regions with low employment prospects. It shouldn't just be them.

I'm retired and a trustee for a charity so give up a lot of time unpaid now and it is hugely rewarding . But I do it by choice and I'm not willing on teenagers to have to do something by compulsion, and certainly not by a Tory government that has done their damnest to destroy their futures and from the mouth of a man that is richer than the King and whose wife has refused British citizenship when she is eligible.

If there are 750k 18-25 not in work or employment, shouldn't they be the first point of call of a scheme of this type, especially if they will gain skills that would improve their employability?

Actually I think you’re right.

Oh dear, yes...It's a desparate bit of electioneering, intended to squeeze a few votes out of reactionary DM reading idiots. Obviously, this has not been thought through.

What about the cost when NHS and schools are in chrisis.? And how would it be enforced? We don't live in a world where kids just do what they are told?

No need to worry though they are not going to win.

But people will have a choice - either apply and get into the Forces for National Service or do 25 days volunteering a year. Which brings its own logistical complications.

So most people won't be joining the forces