ok this is weird. just googled my dd's name and her name comes up on a website on deviantart. have just had an almighty talk with her but she says it's not her. BUT there are pics on there from our

[piratecat]

pc and a profile with reference to things she like including a user name. There is more info too about the inside of our home, and tbh i am rather freaked out.

we were googling for a site to see how popular our names were.

the site Deviant art is one i 'may' have liked or been linked too by my best friend on facebook. DD is totally adamant it's not her.

it's me and her here. noone has access to our home or pc/laptop.

shit.

why is your dd allowed unmonitored access to the internet?

Why does your computer not have parental controls on it which stipulate she cannot visit over eighteen websites?

Your dd has done wrong going on this website and sharing her personal details with strangers on the internet, but she is a child and naive and has no inclination of the power of sharing such personal information with people she has no idea who they are.

But you are an adult and should have been supervising her internet usage.

And please God tell me she isn't on facebook.

What you need to do is delete her profile from this site, and then get some parental controls installed on your computer so this cannot happen again. And withdraw her computer privilages with a stern lecture on just how serious this is.

You should trash, then reload the operating system on her machine. Start from scratch again and install some parental controls. I can stop my ds1 from accessing porn, gambling, chat sites all kinds of stuff. I can also 'allow' certain sites after I've checked them. It's easy to use and has been working well. I know exactly what he's up to.

Is Kaspersky the standard one?

I need to get something like this myself.

Blimey, i think PC gets the message now. She has already clearly said that she does have parental controls on the pc, but maybe they need updating.

Dd2 did a similar thing a couple of years back pc, so it happens to other people too, not that ou'd think so on here.

I think for now, ban pc time and tell her you obviously need to look into it further, because if someone is using her details then thats very wrong. Maybe even say that you may have to report it to someone. Then if she is lying she may own up.

Good luck

I use Kaspersky as my antivirus and it also has parental controls. I can use it to restrict how long he goes on the computer for, what times, what sites, everything. It's great and easy to use. If he wants me to bypass something, I just put my password in if I approve the site and he goes away happy.

Ok, this is a big test for you OP. Tell her that you know that it's her and tell her that you will not get angry as long as she admits it. When she does, don't get angry. Get her talking about what she posts and shares on the web. Explain the dangers and lay down the rules regarding such behavior in future and monitor her Internet usage more closely to ensure she is following the rules.

From what I have read, no real damage has been done. So you can step in now to strengthen your relationship, put in place measures to protect your DD from real damage and improve your communication.

She's said she has some pc controls and protection, but it can't be nannying software because these can block personal details being entered etc. You need a high level of protection for a 9 year old.

righto i need better security. she's on the government bloody laptop with what i thought was kidproof security it came with. you can't get on fb, you can't get on anything over 18, well at least the ones i checked. can'[t chekc everyone.

devaint art isn't for over 18's as another poster said. bloody hell, thank god i have found out. she's not been on there since august.
there we go, i've learnt a lesson.

thanks for those who have helped. if you had any idea how much I supervise and love this kid.

I would NOT recommend any kind of net nanny software - this is not the way to teach your kids online safety, it's like not letting them out of the house to play unsupervised until they are adults! They're safe because they are locked in - how can they ever learn to deal with making decisions about what is and is not safe if we do that?

The key thing is to promote discussion and conversation - to allow them to do what is safe, point out what is unsafe and explain why, and make sure that they always feel it's OK to ask you things and tell you what they are doing. If a parent reacts to something like this with punishments (like restricting internet access) then a child is less likely to come to them and say "I think I might have done something stupid..."

Because of my work we have been online since the early days, and my kids were using the internet at a very early age. I never had restricted software - but until I felt they were net savvy they only had internet access downstairs where there was a parent around. I also checked their history regularly and did some general snooping on what sites they were accessing.

The youngest dc is now almost 18 and still checks with me when doing things online e.g. "mum do you think this site is ok to give my details to?" .

Piratecat I know you are unhappy that you think she's lied to you (which looks likely) but please don't get pushed into an over-reaction here. I would talk to her and go along with her version, but say that you are very worried because this means that someone else has got access to your computer and that this is very serious. Use it as an opportunity to talk about the issues of online safety. If she did sign up to deviantart (not a problem site as you know) with her genuine details (including correct d.o.b.) then she would only have been exposed to 'age appropriate' material. If she used an older birth date then it's worth talking that through with her too.

IMO With internet safety you really have to keep the lines of communication open - so that anything worrying a child can be talked about - without fear of being shouted at or punished, the OP seems to have the right approach.

blimey this is all becoming a mystery.

this laptop is shared between me and dd. both have seperate user accounts.

i went into hers. she has obviously looked at deviant art, she has searched for her manga stuff i presume. i know she has looked at deviant art because she has deleted it as a fave and it has (becuase it was a shortcut) gone into her recycling bin.

but, she is on another site with pokemon games, and there is another user on there with almost exactly the same username as hers.
not her, but this person is obviously an adult from the reviews and language used on the games site.

then, in her hotmail there is an email in her junk folder trying to confirm her as this person. all very confusing.

so,

has she gone on to games site and registered ( i did this with her) and then thru this found deviant art, becuase of the liking of Pokemon. Something has gone wrong, and she's got into it, and not told me. Hence she hasn't been on the web for ages. I think she has got herself into something she didn't mean to. Hence the denial.

Sounds like someone has adopted her ID. Some one she met on the Pokemon site.

Change all passwords and talk to her and explain why. Best of luck

thankyou seabright. thankyou.

someone has done something this is the only thing i can attribute it too. if you'd seen the state she was in earlier.

i thought i was savvy with the pc, well as savvy as most of us.

i will talk with her in the morning.

i am so sure you didn't join deviant art. she can't even say it, she looked perplexed.

will get to the bottom of what she 'has' been on. sonic scene creator, bin weevils, and moshi monsters was all i could find in history. the deviant art shortcut i cannot explain why it's in the recycle bin tho.

what exactly do you think is going to happen with her posting about her name/pets on a website?

Both mine are on deviantart. I think the problem is not with the site, but with your daughter's lack of awareness about internet safety.
So talk without accusation or anger, accept her story if she's denying what she did or didn't do. Teach her the basic rules to keep her identity safe, and build a relationship where if anything is worrying her or she's done something she shouldn't, then she can come and ask without blame.
It is very easy to like something and then suddenly be a part of it without realising you have joined up.
Safety first, no real names, no personal details like addresses. Strong passwords that she only shares with you. Basics.

In fact, exactly what catsrus said.
This is the bit of your post that worried me a little, OP.

'Something has gone wrong, and she's got into it, and not told me. Hence she hasn't been on the web for ages. I think she has got herself into something she didn't mean to. Hence the denial.'

She's 9, so she needs those channels of communication to be open to her.

hi

well it looks like we've been hacked. She and i went through the lot today.

She has never joined deviantart, i told her the importance of being totally honest with me. I have always told her to check with me, hence me being totoally gobsmacked that she may not of. She has always had access thru her user name on the laptop in the lounge, next to me on the sofa.

We went on to her user, it isn't even the same desktop background, she immediately said so and i gauged her shock. I believe her.
On deviant art the user name isn't one she has used. Of course i checked with her, have you used this user name on the Sonic site, you must tell me. No she hasn't.

The photos on deviant art are from our shared photo's on kodak. Therefore being seen on my facebook. On facebook some of her interests have been posted by me over the last few years, so info could well have been taken from there. On deviant art there is a bit where is says fave films, she said the only place she remembers putting the two (quite obscure japanese animations) is moshi monsters, which she was a member of up until october. I cancelled it back then.

In her pictures on her user in our laptop is a porno pic. Of breasts, and i asked her about this and she has no clue.

So what next. I think i need to take the laptop to a specialist and get it swept or something.

Hi OP, we've moved this thread into Geeky Stuff for you.

thankyou.

any further advice on security would be so welcome.

i have alot of security on my pc.

i have deacctivated the deviant art account, and emailed them, as the account is still showing up. i got a confirmation they have recieved the email but of course it's holiday time and i will have to wait.

have once again closed her email account, which i had done anyway. this i don't understand. how the 'user' who made the art account was able to get into her closed hotmail account. but i guess if passwords aren't strong they can.

dustinthewind

i went down that route of thinking 'something has happened and she's had problems' becuase it was a viable way to think, in the context of this scenario. That I don't 'know' every tiny thing she does online, or has looked at or searched for. Having been on here some years I have been surprised by the things people have had to discover within their relationships, their children. So for a moment I thought 'she is lying'. I don't think she is now.

She has no clue about any of this, and i believe her. Have talked to a friend who said there was some dodgy stuff going on with hotmail in the summer. I remember getting a random spam during that time too. who knows what that could have meant, if there was a hacker behind it.

Well, if nothing else, she's now seen that what you say about security and hacking is all true and that you aren't over-reacting. I hope that you can get your computers cleaned up and secure.
Nasty shock for both of you.

it is a shock its so pointless.

altho i have deleted the account, it's still there. although you can't click on the 'username' and get any detials, but the 'artwork' is still there with any commentary under it.

someone has challenged one picture ( it's a book illustration) and the person pretending to be my dd has actually written,

'It is my friends picture, she is too young to be on this site but i wanted to share her stuff'

duh. i will be livid if it's one of her friends, but only one friend ever had her old email address, and dd certainly doesnt have Facebook.

what a mystery.

am cross. so much info has been added to the pics on the site, some of which cannot have been known by a random hacker. one thing that was said was macarbe. do you think i should speak to someone in police, who knows what to do with this sort of intrusion. might put my mind at rest.

have reset passwords on most accounts now. will keep going.

Sounds to me like it's a friend - has she shared her passwords with anyone or chosen something really easily guessed by someone who knows her?

I can't see a hacker being bothered to use the info hacked just to set up an account on deviant art :(

You could try contacting CEOP - they might be able to give some advice even if it doesn't quite fit in their remit.