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Allotment/Veg Patch Thread 6 - Weed 'em and Reap!

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bookbook · 04/06/2016 22:20

Thanks WhoKnowsWhereThe Time GOes for the title of the new thread.
So, we head into summer, praying for sun, gentle rain and no slugs
Everyone welcome to join in and share joys and woes and advice, given freely!
Previous thread here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/gardening/2582241-Allotment-Veg-Patch-Thread-5-The-Diggers-Rest?pg=1

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timtam23 · 20/07/2016 20:06

Wow a lot to catch up on. Loving the diet Coke moments! I'm definitely middle-aged but even more definitely one of the younger ones at my allotment so am not sure if the diet coke moments would ever happen to me!
Phoenix your plot sounds lovely. Very envious that you were allowed to choose. I was given mine, no choice (v long waiting list where I live). Having just cleared a quarter plot of weeds (mostly well-established dock) you have my sympathy!
Loving all the photos & descriptions of produce & can't wait until next spring/summer when I can really crack on!

Well I held off going to the plot today as I thought it would rain, but it hasn't. Not much to water but will pop up tomorrow. In the meantime I had a "shopping/skip diving for the allotment" day (I feel there will be many more of these!). First stop, Aldi for some ankle length wellies. Thanks for the earlier tip about these they are absolutely perfect. Then Poundland - a Charlie Dimmock wooden dibber, little folding camp stool and a small & flimsy mini poly tunnel thing - probably worth a go for only £1 each. On the way home I spotted a small pallet and, despite having assured DH that there was NO WAY that I'd be bringing pallets home, I...brought it home...! I am hoping DH will forgive me and help to saw it down a bit so it's easier to carry - I'd like to build a 3 sided container for either waste clippings or manure. Only 2 more pallets needed!

Cathpot · 20/07/2016 20:55

Evening everyone. Finally picked a full bowl of raspberries - new 'fruit cage' ( net over some poles) is working. It's too small for me really and I end up almost standing on my head to look under the leaves, but if I send the kids in suspiciously few fruit make it out. Then I went to turn the compost. I AM SO RUBBISH AT COMPOSTING. Firstly it's full of quite compacted grass clippings and then as I dug into it I realised it was really dry and full of some grey powder that I am really hoping is just the compost accelerator I optimistically threw in at Easter as I got a face full. There is a thin layer of soil-ish stuff right at the bottom but that's from over three years ago! The rest is grass , pine needles ( they blow in) and twigs. Pfft. I watered it a bit , then fretted about how much water and stopped. I put kitchen waste in two of those green Dalek type ones and they seem to get on with it, but I need the main heap for the garden waste. So, other than turning it all over and breaking it up, watering it a bit , I have no plan.

Chard is growing away and I germinated some peas on the windowsill and they are now in pots on in the greenhouse- want to get them quite big as lost lots to birds in the past. Vaguely worry that I've read they don't like transplanting but too late now!

A BT engineer did come round today but he kept his shirt on. Also it turned out I taught him when he was 11 so no shirt would have been wrong on many levels, not just health and safety.

GrouchyKiwi · 20/07/2016 21:15

Welcome Phoenix.

After a brilliant thunderstorm this morning I harvested the rest of my broad beans and then pulled out the bushes. DD1 is upset at the gap in the garden, but was happy when I told her that my brussels sprouts will go there later. Got enough for a meal tonight (had SIL and her DH around) and another meal's worth blanched and put in the freezer. So I think we've had 10 meals from the bushes, which is a decent amount. They are so much tastier than shop bought frozen ones so I think I'll do two lots of bushes next year, starting the second lot a month later than the first. I love broad beans.

Sowed a few peas in the gap left by the potatoes so will be interesting to see if they have time to do anything.

A couple of my courgettes are growing flowers. Am looking forward to fresh courgettes. And yesterday we ate the first of the raspberries. I found them horribly tart but the children seemed to enjoy them!

PhoenixJasmine · 21/07/2016 07:47

Thank you for all the welcomes!Grin

I've had another email from the council.... saying "I will receive my key when then paperwork has been completed and the fee paid"..... well completed paperwork was submitted 10 days ago and I was told I would be given the plot rent-free until October due to the state it is in and the amount of work needed. I have replied accordingly. Why do councils seem to make everything so much more complicated than it needs to be!?!

On a more positive note, mooli, cabbage, mizuna, rocket and lettuce seedlings are poking through this morning. I've watered them again and left the cold frame propped open so they don't cook. Just hope I have somewhere to put them when they're ready!!!

How often do I need to water seedlings? I'm watering my pots and planters with herbs/flowers/peppers every morning at the moment, they seem very thirsty in this heat.

Cedar03 · 21/07/2016 09:18

phoenixJasmine you're lucky to get yours rent free for a bit. Mine was covered in weeds when I took it on and we didn't get any kind of rebate.

Seedlings I would water regularly at the moment as it is so hot and dry. Pots dry out quicker than the normal ground does so I would be watering at least once a day. Press your finger into the compost and see how damp it feels. If it is dry then they need a water.

Cathpot sounds as if your compost heap might be too dry to get going. Food waste always breaks down really quickly maybe put a couple of lots of that in to help it get going. My bin at the allotment is definitely not as active as my one at home.

No diet coke men at my allotment either. There are a couple of youngish men around but so far they've kept their tops on. Otherwise it's just women and old men.

bookbook · 21/07/2016 09:29

Morning!
thank goodness its a bit cooler now, but still no rain , so I had better go and water before going out today.
I missed a few things last night after doing a slight skim read .
2rebecca - you have covered all the bases on feeding courgettes, so maybe just time now - mine sulked for ages, and are only now this last week doing the 'mile a minute' that is usual. I wonder if it was just a bit too cool?
timtam - have you a local builders merchants, as sometimes you can get free pallets from them. I admire your skip diving.
Cathp0t - well, its good that the children are eating fresh fruit , at least you don't have to ^make6 them :) . Does sound as if not enough water, its suprising how much a compost heap needs. We actually have the overflow of the waterbutt directed onto the compost heap at the plot. Peas I have had no problem transplanting, but the birds will eat them at whatever size, so maybe a bit of chicken wire or netting to prevent them when you plant out?
jealous of your thunderstorm Grouchy , I love them. If you want a double go at broad beans, some varieties overwinter so you get an earlier crop - I do mine in October/November normally, but this year they got gotted , so I set some off in plugs in February, and they worked really well, and then some were sown direct later. ( By the way, for anyone who freezed stuf - I experimented over the last 2 years on french and runner beans - I now just open freeze them from fresh, I don't blanch them, and in honesty you can not tell the difference). Raspberries shouldn't be horribly tart - so are they picking them not ripe? They should leave the white core behind on the bush without any need to tug.
Phoenix - that sounds like an automated reply to me - councils are good at that! - Is it possible to ring and speak to someone? Is there a plot member who you can ask? At our site , there is usually 1 and often 2 committee members on site every day working their plots - their names and plot numbers are on the website. I water seedlings every day in this hot weather, but I tend to go by look and feel tbh, and I water on an evening ( though that has not helped on the slug/snail challenge) . I remember Doreen saying that the best way is to stand them in a tray of water for a time, then drain them. That way they take up the water they need, and nutrients aren't washed away.

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bookbook · 21/07/2016 10:05

sorry for all the spelling mistakes and typos - brain and fingers not working together at all today, and it was squashes wasn't it 2rebecca - its going to be one of those days.....

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2rebecca · 21/07/2016 10:28

Getting my key took ages. I ended up phoning them and going in to the office to get it as I was keen to get on.
The first year I spent a lot of time measuring and working out a structure of paths and beds. A fellow allotmenter had a rotavator which he used on a couple of metres of the length whilst I covered the rest. Lots of people don't like them but the soil is so heavy it made weeding that area and removing large stones much easier. I didn't have a shed when I got it either so that was an early purchase.

2rebecca · 21/07/2016 10:30

yes it was squashes. I suspect the courgettes will get growing but their won't be enough summer left for the pumpkins to amount to much.

bookbook · 21/07/2016 10:43

it was the same for me last year with the butternut squashes 2rebecca - I had 3 plants and managed a miserable 3 small ones. They just need to be much warmer, or are a later variety -( though I have tried the ones suited for the North, I haven't noticed much difference.) One of my plot neighbours buys grafted plants, and seems to get a better crop. The crown prince are much more reliable for me - last year 3 plants = 9 good size squashes

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PhoenixJasmine · 21/07/2016 12:20

Speak to someone at the council? Hehehe good one Grin. Last time I tried it was 30 mins on hold, they couldn't put me through to the parks dept or give me a direct dial phone number so I could call them myself, they took a handwritten note to 'leave on someone's desk' which predictably nothing came of.

Another email this morning, saying they are processing the paperwork and will then post me a welcome pack, which will include instructions on how to get the key. It's beginning to feel like some kind of challenge quest!

The rent-free period was already in place, negotiated by the site secretary, to try to attract enthusiastic people to take on the neglected plots. We live in an area of London with very high levels of recent immigration, and with the rapid shift in demographic, demand for allotments has fallen markedly in the last few years, according to the site secretary. Having said that, a lot of the plot holders I met on my tour around the site were not British, so I'm not sure that immigration can be the sole cause of plots going to waste!

teacuphalfempty · 21/07/2016 17:18

Hello peeps and specially 2rebecca and Phoenix

Here I am back in the bar with wifi, enjoying a couple of days of cooler weather (mid 20‘s instead of early to mid 30‘s). Still no rain and still none forecast. The big benefit though, is that I don’t have to mow the lawn twice a week - hoorah Smile.

I’m having a good courgette year and already giving them away.

The runner and Purple Teepee beans are doing really well and I’ve just today switched on the spare freezer to accomodate the bounty. (And since last year I’ve been doing the book method - not blanching and open freezing - so much easier). However, the small furry animals are trying to sabotage my production and are eating the roots . Three runner plants are alreay on the compost heap and a fourth is looking ill. A friend has bought me a trap, for which there was something of an unofficial waiting list. We’ve decided the mild winter is to blame.

At the weekend I started off two more runner seeds to replace the (then) two missing plants. They’re coming on fast but think I’ll get the last 4 seeds on the go aswell.

Lots of tomatoes, none red. Peppers doing well, and I have an aubergine forming - golf ball size at moment.

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2rebecca · 21/07/2016 17:47

Hello teacuphalfempty. What do you do with broad beans? Do you pod and then open freeze those?

teacuphalfempty · 21/07/2016 17:59

2rebecca not sure. I've not had enough broadies to 'play' with. book might be along later with her wisdom Smile.

bookbook · 21/07/2016 20:25

Evening!
had a busy day, and just got in from a quick dash to pick raspberries and water. It is now looking as if it may rain of course ( fingers crossed it does- the first 1000L IBC tank is nearly empty already)
hi teacup good news on the courgettes and beans. So an ^unofficial* waiting list for traps? :) wildlife always seems to get the better of us growers. Jealous of the aubergine - none so far, and probably too late now I bet.
2rebecca - I have only had enough broad beans this year to think of freezing, I normally only grow a few as I'm the only one who really loves them. I am giving the open freezing thing a go - so podded, not skinned, and then frozen . First lot are frozen and I have lots to come, so I may try bringing them out, and cooking them to see if it works - I'll let you know :)

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Cathpot · 21/07/2016 21:37

cedar/ bookbook - Thanks for compost advice - I will leave the hose on for a bit and chuck some kitchen waste in as well. I am trying to bring DH round to the joys of composting and right now I have compost heap shame.

What size do I pick chard by the way? I've never eaten it before. Mine are about 20cm tall at the moment - do they get huge?

Cleared the ground beneath my baby apple trees that was covered in weeds. They both have fruit this year , although one also has brown spots on the leaves and is struggling a bit. I really don't want to start spraying so I've just fed it some seaweed liquid and hoping for the best. I've also got two really old craggy trees, one of which has lots of fruit but they have black spots on every year by the time they are ripe. I love apples so im just going to cut the black bits off and stew them. The only completely healthy apple I have is a crab apple and I don't know what to do with them- any nice recipes?

bookbook · 21/07/2016 22:34

Cathpot - just had a quick word with DH (compost maker at chez book) and he waters when it gets a bit dry, and also adds a thin layer of lime every couple of months - he waters this in. He says it stops it going 'stale' whatever that means......
Chard - can get quite big big - Personally I'm not a fan of the stalks, and only eat the leaves- so the smaller,( not tiny though) the more tender.
Black spots on apples - most likely bitter pit - due to a calcium shortage.
I think its Grouchy who has brown spots on apple leaves as well , and thats probably rust, no real remedy there, apart from picking off if not too any and burning, or throwing away. ( Don't compost them). I have a crab apple, but the birds get to them first , but one day I may beable to make crab apple jelly!

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Cathpot · 21/07/2016 22:42

bookbook - would be great if I could sort apples out- presuming I can buy a feed for calcium deficiency? But not milk , learnt that lesson. Will think about lime too- but we have acid soil and lots of things in the garden like camellias and azealeas so a bit wary of lime- although of course at this rate I will never make any compost and it won't matter either way. DH is away for 6 weeks so I am doing the garden in short periods of time between sorting the kids out and I don't feel I can really get stuck into anything which is frustrating. About to send off for the alliums offer in gardeners world magazine without a clear idea of where I will put them!

bookbook · 21/07/2016 22:50

Just check it is that Cathpot -lots of images on Mr Google :) and a few remedies - mostly watering/mulching for future years, though you can spray on foliar spray but no point if it they are already affected

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Cathpot · 21/07/2016 23:29

Just looked and that's it- which is great in that it's fixable. I can't really do the foliage spray as the tree is too big, although maybe I could hoick a child up there with a spray bottle if I disguise it as a game- food for thought. It's definitely quite a dry spot as well so will start there.

PhoenixJasmine · 22/07/2016 07:02

More seedlings through this morning Smile just the lambs lettuce left to make some kind of apprarance. The chard seedlings are so cute - it's bright lights (I keep calling it 'rainbow brites'! 80's child!) and even the stems are multi coloured!

The mooli seedlings are already 2 inches long, some of them. I planted 2 seeds in each cell, for insurance, at what point do I get rid of the weaker seedling?

Last night I made a coriander pesto using some of the coriander from the balcony and harvested one green chilli to use in it as well. I know it's mini compared to most people but it does feel pretty cool to be making stuff from things growing outside the door.

DoreenLethal · 22/07/2016 07:46

My advice for composting is cut your kitchen stuff up as much as you can, add your browns to match your greens and turn it as often as you can.

I have never added lime, I do grow many herbs though and grow them in places that I can mow them and the mowings get added to the compost heap. This includes fennel. Adding herbs keeps the compost sweet [at taught by an organic guru who has been at Ryton since the start] and I hate buying product when I can use plant waste.

I only add water if I am making a hot heap. Otherwise if it is too dry then you need more greens. There should be enough moisture in the greens to keep it wet enough to compost. Male wee only, due to the hormones in female wee.

I am off on my hols for a fortnight so enjoy everyone and I hope you all have fruitful and vegful summers.

PhoenixJasmine · 22/07/2016 08:13

Oh, hormones - you mean if the woman is on hormonal birth control or similar? I guess the same would apply for a man taking certain renally-excreted medications though.

I'm thinking of investing in one of those cute 'compost' enamel tins for the kitchen counter. I eat a lot of eggs- are eggshells worth saving separately for specific uses or throwing in the general compost?

Cedar03 · 22/07/2016 09:29

Eggshells are worth saving to put around plants to try and keep away the slugs. I used to put them in my ordinary compost bin but they take an age to decompose and I wasn't too sure about spreading eggshell all over the garden as we have had the odd rat in the past so I've stopped adding them in.

Have a nice holiday Doreen

Phoenix prick out the seedling you don't want as early as you can otherwise the two plants could become intertwined. Or I'd probably try and transplant one to another pot and see what happens but that's because I don't like to see them go to waste Smile

We're off for the weekend so no gardening for me. I'm hoping there is a shower or two at home to help keep things watered and nothing where we will be camping. Smile

Cathpot · 22/07/2016 12:51

Just sent off for a widget that you attach to a hose so I can spray the apple tree. Now need to find a calcium spray- any recommendations?