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Allotment/Veg Patch Thread 6 - Weed 'em and Reap!

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bookbook · 04/06/2016 22:20

Thanks WhoKnowsWhereThe Time GOes for the title of the new thread.
So, we head into summer, praying for sun, gentle rain and no slugs
Everyone welcome to join in and share joys and woes and advice, given freely!
Previous thread here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/gardening/2582241-Allotment-Veg-Patch-Thread-5-The-Diggers-Rest?pg=1

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bookbook · 12/07/2016 21:44

Evening!
wow timtam a lot of work. Just keep an eye on where the compost is spread -ground elder is a devil for growing from tiny bits of root, but hopefully the covering with bags will work at keeping it from re- growing .
Grouchy - lovely harvest :) a glow at eating what you have grown, and the lemon tree is obviously a trier!
No plot today , but heading for a full morning tomorrow , redcurrants are calling.....

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timtam23 · 12/07/2016 22:18

Thank you Grouchy and book. Yes I'm a bit worried I'll end up with masses of ground elder again but I guess if it's covered it'll have weak roots & hopefully I can hook it out in the spring. The compost bin was a right mess, all sorts of bits of wood & big roots in there so I don't think the previous plotholders were very experienced with composting. Anyway it now has a pile of comfrey in it while I work out where to put it.

I also have a bag of soil mixed with gravel (more like small stone chippings rather than gravel) again a present left on the plot from previous person- any ideas for how I could use it? I don't think it's suitable for improving soil drainage, the stones are a bit large. But I can't leave it on the plot and it's very heavy so not easy to move

BluePitchFork · 12/07/2016 22:58

ground elder is actually quite tasty.
it tastes a bit like spinach.

bookbook · 13/07/2016 16:01

Afternoon!
timtam - have you an area for a waterbutt or have one? the stones could be sieved out of the soil and put on the ground around the spout if you have, or maybe use it for a tidy area /place of 'hard standing' for plants in pots to deter slugs
didn't the Romans introduce ground elder as it was a delicacy ? :)
well, had a very busy morning - I had been given some spare leek plants from another plotter on Sunday so I popped those in this morning. Did a fair bit of hoeing and watering. Plants are all settling in nicely now. Picked 1 courgette - still waiting for any sign of a glut there...Also picked a couple of cabbages for tea. Picked strawberries, raspberries, and a lot of redcurrants - , about 3/4 picked now .( I think I have picked about 6kg of redcurrants so far... ) Lucky, as blackcurrants are almost ready, as are gooseberries .Flowers in the cutting bit are starting to fill out nicely, and finally have some sweet peas to cut. Ran out of time then , without getting near picking broad beans. Thats another day now. When I got home , also picked the raspberries here as well. All freezing now, and about to make strawberry oaties, as they were a hit the other day.

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teacuphalfempty · 13/07/2016 17:37

Hello people.

Just catching up. So disappointing about the toms Spotted. I started the tom season with a vow to aspirin spray every 2 weeks, but after the first 2 rounds of spraying I've become a bit lax. From having a very wet spring it stopped raining on 17 June and hasn't rained since - and none due. If/when there are indications of rain, I'll get another spray in for insurance.

I grew a lemon tree from a pip about 10 yrs ago. It finally got planted in my garden about 6 yrs ago and is a proper tree now. But no1 I've never had a flower nor lemon on it. I heard Bob Flowerdew say (last yr I think) that grown from seed they can take up to 20 yrs to start producing Shock. So this year I decided to stop being romantic about the one I grew from a seed and go and buy one. But no2 this year there is some malady affecting lemon/citrus trees in the area and the sale and/or planting of them will get you arrested. So, next year . . .

And to old book - I'm 60 this autumn (I think just a few months behind you). I'm also tall (5'10 1.78m). Brunette not redhead. Smile

Also, very belated sympathies to our Australian friend Flowers

teacuphalfempty · 13/07/2016 17:46

Cath glad you're home now. I recently bought a papaya and last week I sowed some seeds in the garden. Just to see what happens. Possibly nothing. I'll keep you posted.

Smile
BluePitchFork · 13/07/2016 18:14

I have a couple of accidental plants: a tangerine (dc just put the seeds into a spare pot) and a pineapple grown from a top.

bookbook · 13/07/2016 21:21

nice to hear from you teacup - hah- 61 this month , dear lord! goodness knows where that time has gone...
I just wanted to come on and say I'm happy - I have resurrected what I thought was a dead bay tree ( a standard actually). It was dug up to move house with my DD and got sadly neglected, not watered, then over watered. And my DD's DH then transplanted it into a pot without any drainage holes) So I brought it home and repotted it , fed it and put it to one side to let it get on with it. It's taken a while, and I had almost given up. Today saw tiny green shoots poking through the dead leaves.Nature rocks :)

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Cedar03 · 14/07/2016 09:12

That's the good thing about gardening. Something doesn't work, you have a disaster, sometimes the plant will recover but if it doesn't well then you can always plant something else instead.

I planted some more pea seeds at the weekend in a moment of optimism that I might get a late crop and the mice might be busy eating other things and not notice I've planted them. Smile

We've had a few french beans, some mange tout (not enough but that's thanks to failure to germinate) and some lettuce leaves in our salad this week. Not enough to be self sufficient by any means. I think my trouble is that I planted small amounts and then forgot to plant again (and ran out of room) for the salad crops. Or things just haven't taken. Or they seem to be taking an age (radishes in particular).

Harvested garlic the other day. The bulbs are really small, not sure we'll bother next year. Onions are swelling nicely now. Have to think about what I'm going to plant in there when we harvest them. Sweetcorn and pumpkins are both growing well.

I used to have some orange and lemon plants grown from seed. They lasted for several years but I think that commercially grown ones are grafts and therefore if you are growing from seed you do have to wait until it is more like a tree before anything happens. I'd love to have a big glass house with proper orange and lemon trees but that's never going to happen Smile

Timtam could you use your stones for an area where you don't want to plant up to help keep down the weeds? My allotment is still throwing up lots of pebble sized stones (they repaired a wall at the back of it a couple of years before I got the plot causing all sorts of damage) and at the moment they are stacked in a corner underneath some blackberry bushes.

Imfinehowareyou · 14/07/2016 11:50

I have inherited a plastic barrel on my plot with no top or bottom. Is there any use for this? Thought I'd ask before getting rid. Tipped over both inherited compost bins as lots of bindweed kept leading back to them. Think previous plot owners were using them more like rubbish bins :-)

BluePitchFork · 14/07/2016 11:54

hmm how big?
raised bed?
compost bin?

bookbook · 14/07/2016 20:16

Evening!
imfine a barrel without a top or bottom- how about potatoes? - Could do some soon for Christmas even! Very long carrots/parsnips..... ermmm thats about it from me :)
Well, was busy this morning, and had visitors for lunch. They didn't go until 4.30, so rather scuppered my plans for the plot. Only left time for picking broad beans and watering. Ah well. Tonight I have finally got around to sowing my winter cauliflowers - 'Aalsmer,' and done another succession sowing of spinach - the previous lot has been decidedly slow, and is only just showing up after what seems like weeks.
At home in the greenhouse the first few tomatoes are nearly ready to pick , peppers are nicely coming along. But the aubergines - well, I have flowers , and some are opening , but I cannot see me getting any to set or grow.

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GrouchyKiwi · 14/07/2016 21:12

I was thinking potatoes too with the barrel, imfine.

Hooray for the bay tree, books. I love when things you think are dead take off again.

Had to take a few things out of the garden today with fungal infections (I think), and one of them gave me a very itchy arm. Suspect it was the wallflower. Hacked my sage and thyme to very small so will be interesting to see if they come away again.

Can apple tree leaves get rust? If so, mine have it.

Would it be a very strange thing to put raspberry plants in the gaps in my nascent hedges? There are two sections where the plants don't seem to have grown in the hedges so I thought it might be a plan to shift the two raspberry plants out of the potager-type garden and plug the gaps with them.

Hiahia · 14/07/2016 22:08

Hi everyone.

So nice to read everyone's updates.

Just had some new potatoes and beetroot for dinner. I am astounded by how superior home grown stuff taste. Major nom here. So exciting!

Tomorrow, thinning of the carrots! Is there a better time of day to do this?!

Cedar03 · 15/07/2016 09:12

In the same spirit as Bookbook's revival of a dead bay tree I was given some lemon verbena cuttings from my mum the other week. I put them outside in their pot and then forgot to water them. When I next looked they were looking decidedly dead. I shoved more water on, and left them to it. I've noticed that there are new leaves appearing so maybe I haven't killed them after all.

Hiahia it is nice to have fresh food that you've grown yourself. I think it also makes you appreciate it more. I'd never buy potatoes that had slug holes all over them from the supermarket but when they come out of our allotment I'll chop out every single bit we can reasonably eat Smile.

No idea about carrot thinning. I think there might be something about doing at a certain time to help avoid the carrot fly but I'm not sure. This year I've not got anywhere near having enough carrots to need to thin them which is a serious disappointment.

We've got a couple of tomatoes setting but I also noticed a black patch on a stem of one plant. I'm probably going to be ruthless and hack back at it.

BluePitchFork · 15/07/2016 09:45

carrot thinning: a friend just cuts the green with scissors.
carrots nevef worked for me, the slugs have a feast and I'm left with a bunch too small even for soup.

Belleende · 15/07/2016 13:21

Sounds like everyone has been really busy!b Loving the pictures of the harvests. My inherited raspberry canes have been producing oodles of fruit, but only about half of it is useable, but that is plenty for lots of lovely jam.
Also dug my first beetroot today, and the squash and courgettes seem to have made a miraculous recovery after being decimated slugs. Might get a crop out of them afterall. Less good news, there is blight on the allotment. I put my tomatoes in quite late, so might escape, but will be on the lookout.

So once again I need advice. I will be cutting back the raspberries next week after a final harvest. They are in a line along the full length of my half plot. In between the canes is riddled with weeds, nettles, bind weed and couch. I was planning on mulching them to suppress the weeds, but I have no idea how to go about this. What should I be using? #allotmentvirgin

Imfinehowareyou · 15/07/2016 14:31

Thanks for all the barrel suggestions Grin If I do potatoes in it how do I get them out?!! I could only reach about halfway down. Or do you tip the barrel over? [Dense emoticon] I did see an idea for strawberries where you drill holes for the plants all over the barrel.

bookbook · 15/07/2016 19:23

Evening.
I do hope everyone is well - its been a rotten day with the news from France, but this thread keeps me sane .
Grouchy - I've not had problems myself , but yes you can get apple tree rust. If its not on too many, I would take the affected leaves off and burn ( don't compost) , but it may do more harm than good to take a lot off. I don't think there is a spray to use, but keep it well watered and maybe fed, so it can cope .The only problem with putting raspberries in a hedge is of course, they don't keep the leaves in winter, so will leave you bare patches in the hedge in winter. But other than that, why not? :)
HiaHia - that s the true joy of growing - the realisation of lovely flavour. I am not good at carrots ( see upthread!) but do have some success with the short stubby ones, so I don't thin. I just sow them very thinly in plugs and plant them out. Covering with fleece/enviromesh helps too. Have you got your other plot yet?
And I am with Cedar - I cut every bit of potato is used where possible- I have real problems with holes .
Belleende - you will need to leave about 6 canes per plant for next year to fruit , only cut out the canes that have fruited / straggly poor ones, then choose the best 6 and cut out the rest. Hopefully, you can then get in and do a basic weed , and mulch with either compost/rotted manure/bark/chippings nice and thickly. Hope that makes sense :)
Imfine - thats a big barrel! I would tip potatoes out, but it may take a bit of filling with soil/compost!
I have had a busy day - this morning DH and I both went. He harvested the garlic - a bit small and disappointing this year, weather I think , as the shallots are poor too. I picked the rest of the redcurrants - all done then started on the blackcurrants. This afternoon, I went back and picked raspberries, and all the gooseberries. I managed 2 courgettes, but another 2 have been ravaged by slugs, the blighters. And we have been warned about blight, and noticed one sad potato plant bang in the middle of a row, so dug that up straight away. Its the maincrop ' Picasso' A nice amount of decent size potatoes, along with lots of little ones. Will have to keep a careful look out.
I planted up the rest of my succession cauliflowers, and also the poor few pea plants I had left - I stuck them in a row that have a few gaps due to poor germination. My peas have been sad this year .

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Belleende · 16/07/2016 13:10

I have jam! It is set and everything. For the first time I feel like a proper woman.

timtam23 · 16/07/2016 17:41

Thanks for the suggestions re: sack of stones/soil. I think I'll try sieving some of it and building a hard standing area plus I could use some for path areas as the earth will turn to sludge in the rain...no water butt unfortunately as the quarter plots aren't allowed sheds etc. Really wanted to get back up to the allotment today but too busy ferrying children here there & everywhere!
Another question - does anyone have tips on where to buy good quality shortie wellies (ankle height) as I really want a pair for the hot days of digging - full length wellies are making me overheat! I found a pair in Shoe Zone but turned out to be very poor quality & more suitable for gentle walks than allotment digging Sad

bookbook · 16/07/2016 19:43

Evening!
Belleende a jam maker no less Grin - nothing else will taste quite so good.
timtam - forgot you had a quarter plot. Good idea to use stones for paths. I wear wellies all year round, just change thickness of socks. Off the top of my head I am thinking Joules for ankle wellies, and maybe horse riding wear shops ?
Had a day not gardening today. The plot judging was yesterday for the annual best plot competition ( no chance here, too may other things to do! ) my NDN's got 1st and 2nd for their half plots, other way NDN got highly commended. I'm the sandwich filling to make them look good !
Once the judges had been around, I was given a bunch of beetroot by NDN as she didn't want to pick anything to spoil the plot beforehand, so has loads to be harvested asap! It was barter for the redcurrants I gave her the day before :)
I have started a glut of cucumbers - a miscalculation on my part. I always have 2 plants, usually La Diva , which is a snack size. This year full size ones, and a bit more prolific. I have one and a half picked and using. I have given one away yesterday, and I have another 3 just about ready. Anyone got any good cucumber recipes ? Going to try a quick pickle that I have found on Mr Google, but others welcome!

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BluePitchFork · 16/07/2016 19:50

any ideas about watering systems?
we are going away for a few days and it looks like there will finally be summer here!
my dc's sunflowers are very thirsty...
big bucket and old cotton towel?

bookbook · 16/07/2016 19:59

Blue - I was given a watering system working on a battery and a timer. Totally awful to try and make it work out and it wasn't a success. I have help normally - a bit hit and miss. Anything that can go in the shade I put in a big , deep plastic tray with damp old towels which wick from another full bucket of water. But its a heatwave next week Grin typical!

Just came back on here to link this - a prize draw for a frameless greenhouse ( not a big one though) but hey, someone has to win it

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Imfinehowareyou · 17/07/2016 11:16

Our Aldi has ankle length wellies in for £4.99.