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New Year 12 starters parent support thread (snappy title eh?)

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 31/08/2016 19:19

here we are.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/09/2016 11:46

Ok, I've regained what little sanity I had Grin

dds college takes them to a few unis next summer. Does that mean she doesnt need to do open days as well? That'd be nice!

I'm quite torn between wanting a good old nosy myself and knowing that I'd be able to ask pertinent questions, to the fact that when I'm around dd tends to abdicate responsibility to me to ask the questions. I think she'd be better off without me, shes more confident when I'm not there and she could ask questions that are important to her.

The travel, if its within sensible train journey time will be no problem, she can reasonably confidently travel across London and change trains by herself.

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Shineyshoes10 · 14/09/2016 12:04

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littledrummergirl · 14/09/2016 12:14

Shineyshoes that's the sort of thing we would do. Ds1 has little interest in the important boring stuff, I don't understand the academic.

TheSecondOfHerName · 14/09/2016 12:23

DS1 has no clue. He barely knows what he's doing next week, let alone what he wants to do after A-levels.

raspberryrippleicecream · 14/09/2016 12:33

DS1 started at the beginning of Y12, because he knew what he wanted and was ready to start. In his case it definitely helped him focus. DD isn't ready to look yet, although she will be visiting a couple in the near future, one on the back of an activity with DS2 and the other to visit DS1 once he has started!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/09/2016 12:33

that sounds like a plan Shiney!

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cloudyday99 · 14/09/2016 12:35

DH went with DSS which was definitely needed for the first one. We might encourage him to do one on his own in a few weeks though, after he's done a couple more with a parent and knows the ropes a bit. One or two of his will involve an overnight stay though which he can't really do alone.

I think we've learned with him that you can't necessarily just leave them to organise it. DSS didn't know where to start or how to choose. He really liked the open day he went to though and seems much more confident in making choices now. Which is why I think visiting maybe one uni this autumn will be good for DS and DSD. Or else getting organised for one or two of the summer ones, to give time to research other options in the light of what you see at the first one.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/09/2016 12:41

This is a genuine question - how did we used to do it before the internet? I remember sending off for prospectuses and them plopping on the door mat, but how did I know where to send off for them? And how did I know about the open days?
I remember visiting Bath, with an overnight stay. It was about a million miles up a steep hill from the station, with a dodgy map. It was cold, windy and bleak and the accommodation felt really empty and lonely. The next day I trudged back down the hill and somehow ended up on the right train.

Nowadays, I need apps and the internet to achieve anything. Where have my life skills gone??

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catslife · 14/09/2016 13:31

This thread seems to have moved on a bit since I last posted. dd has now had homework for all 3 subjects and we are starting to get used to the new timetable.
She has sent off for her provisional driving licence as she is 17 in just under a month's time. But like other posters we have cars that aren't really suitable for learners.
dd doesn't want to go to university and would prefer a (higher) apprenticeship.

cloudyday99 · 14/09/2016 13:42

I think I used my sixth form library a bit kitten and definitely sent off for lots of prospectuses. (Did I phone them maybe?) I think they have the open days on the back page. I'm quite sure you did not need to book an open day, you just turned up. DSS has to download an app for the one he went to, and an electronic ticket for admission Shock

ShanghaiDiva · 14/09/2016 13:48

Fantasy - ds also looking at Warwick. He wants to study accounting/finance.
I went to open days with friends or on my own, my parents didn't come along, but everything was much easier then: no fees and I had a full grant
and there seemed to be plenty of spaces free in halls of residence. Those were the days!
No driving for ds. He isn't 17 until end of June and driving in China is insane - the company provides us with a driver, so we only drive when we are on holiday or back in the UK.

Icouldbeknitting · 14/09/2016 13:49

I didn't go to any open days, I suspect that there was no such thing back then what with the roaming dinosaurs and all. I visited when I was interviewed, there were no tours of accommodation, you just got a look round the campus. There were far fewer applicants and places back in the early 1980s, it wasn't the business that it is today.

ShanghaiDiva · 14/09/2016 13:58

knitting - I went to open days back in 1985 and it was just a campus tour and I don't think I had any interviews except for Oxford.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/09/2016 14:33

I think I had an interview for Bath?? might be remembering that wrongly. And a pre interview interview with Cambridge, but I took fright after going there, deciding that I wasn't posh enough and wouldnt fit in.

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NoHaudinMaWheest · 14/09/2016 14:40

When I went to university in Scotland in the 70s there were no interviews and no open days. I am quite sure lots of people started without even having been in the city before.
I didn't have prospectuses either, but must have had a list of courses - possibly from UCCA as it was then?

needastrongone · 14/09/2016 15:40

My DN is applying for Cambridge this time, as he's Y13. I seem to recall they've visited a couple of times, applications October as others have said. The personal statement is tough going I think.

We are turning a few thoughts towards Uni, in that DS wishes to go to a Russell Group, however he doesn't have a specific career path in mind, just a general area that he enjoys (maths/science). And it's hard to pin down a Uni without knowing which course.

We thought we might get a term of A Levels under his belt, as the step up from GCSE to A Level is significant and he may find he enjoys a particular subject more than he anticipated, or not. Plus, they change a lot I think in the next year or so. Fair play if you have a specific career path though.

I seem to recall a UCAS book, listing all the Uni's, with courses and address that you wrote or phoned for a prospectus, or am I imagining this?!

In terms of A Levels, at this early stage, he's finding Chemistry has had the biggest step up, he feels Physics and Maths/FM are still going over the basics, ensuring they are entrenched.

needastrongone · 14/09/2016 15:41

Grin @ roaming dinosaurs!

EllenJanethickerknickers · 14/09/2016 16:28

Back in the early eighties we had a book in the sixth form that listed all the universities, (not so many back then) each course and what their usual offer was. Can't remember if it was an official UCCA book? We also had copies of prospectuses (prospecti? Grin ) for most of them and another book with polytechnics and colleges of higher education. They're pretty much all universities now.

We then sent off for our own prospectus. There weren't any open days that I can remember. We just applied for 5 through UCCA and got called up to visit for an interview. Some unis were good at showing you accommodation during the tours, others less so. You then received an offer (or not) within a few weeks and chose your firm and insurance. That much was the same. The order in which you placed them on the handwritten form could be significant. If you put a posh uni fifth, they might take the hump! Nowadays the order isn't important or shared with the unis as they don't just receive a photocopy of your form.

One thing for certain, not a single parent went along! I couldn't believe how that's changed. DS1 went to about 8 open days, and seeing a sixth former without a parent was rare! I guess times have changed. My degree was almost free. No fees and I got about £800 of a grant which paid for 1/3 of my accommodation and living expenses, my parents topped it up to £2000 per year. You felt grateful to get a place. Now it's much more like a business transaction as so much money is involved. Universities are out to sell themselves to ensure their courses are full. And parents and students want to get their money's worth!

I went with DS1 to 4 universities, his father took him to one but left him there and he went to one independently. He also went on sixth form run visits to Oxford and Cambridge, which was just a coach drop off and pick up on an open day. He obviously gained in confidence as he saw more. I trailed around with him on the first couple, then left him to it and sat in a café for the rest, except to look at the accommodation.

DS1 is NT, though. I would definitely recommend accompanying anyone who isn't NT. You certainly won't look out of place.

DS chose his top 5 unis and applied via UCAS and offers started trickling in. He got 5 offers with no interviews, though he didn't apply to Oxbridge. He was invited on offer holders days, which are basically another not-quite-open day by subject. He was certain of his top choice but revisited another two in Feb and March to make up his mind between them for his insurance.

So, altogether he visited universities 10 times! Busy and expensive!

EllenJanethickerknickers · 14/09/2016 16:31

That was long! Blush

StepAwayFromTheThesaurus · 14/09/2016 17:06

My school took us to the Glasgow open day in the June when we started 5th year. I remember sitting in the botanics having a picnic rather than doing anything useful.

I phoned just about every university in the country to post me a prospectus.

HesMyLobster · 14/09/2016 17:10

DD has a list of 10 she'd like to visit. She says we've missed most of the Autumn open days though and will have to wait for summer now?
Does that sound right?
I so wasn't ready for this yet, I feel completely unprepared!
Is 10 too many? Should she try to whittle it down a bit more?
When will the summer open days be likely to happen?
Dh and I didn't go to university so we're a bit clueless!

FantasyAndHope · 14/09/2016 17:34

DD has bridge building today! To intergrate the year groups. On the plus side I've found a tutor who will see DD this Saturday for R.S

TheSecondOfHerName · 14/09/2016 17:48

I started university in the 1990s, so feeling comparatively young. Smile

needastrongone · 14/09/2016 17:59

Fantasy, are you just absolutely sure that the teacher isn't going over stuff just to ensure some knowledge is entrenched? Probably not, but DS says that's happening in FM and Physics for him, which he's happy with.

He's been told Chemistry really steps up next week...

Lobster Totally up to you I'd say, but anecdotally, friends who have already 'been there and done that' suggest they sort of blend into one after a while....Smile

Are those of you that are thinking about Uni already finding out what your DC wishes to study, then finding the 'best' course they can reasonably expect to get on, or finding a Uni they fancy first? Obviously certain subjects have a great reputation at certain Uni's, thinking Engineering, and Oxbridge is in a different category, but wondered what you all think?

I think we probably will be looking to finding the subject DS wishes to study, then finding the University but it's interesting nevertheless.

StepAwayFromTheThesaurus · 14/09/2016 18:15

She certainly hasn't missed all the open days. I'm a university lecturer and we've got at least 2 before Christmas. I have to do one on a Saturday. I usually volunteer for the Friday ones but they're all Saturday's.

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